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> I got a chance to play D&D 4th edition today, It was awful, as predicted
spica2501
post Jun 6 2008, 01:41 AM
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Some of my friends were able to get there hands on PDFs of the 4th edition D&D rulebooks. I was excited to get a chance to play it, if only because the product has not yet been officially released yet.

As the topic description states 4th ed. is awful. It can be summed up in a series of three points:

1) Everyone is a variant of the 3rd edition Warlock.

2) There is no fluff anymore.

3) It is WoW.

I blame Keith Baker, one of the chief designers and the creater of the terrible Eberon campaign setting. Everything he comes up with is stupid and 4th ed is no exception. My question is why WOTC put the designer of a campaign setting that has not been selling well in charge of creating their new rules set?
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- spica2501   I got a chance to play D&D 4th edition today   Jun 6 2008, 01:41 AM
- - Alex   Because that is what WOTC does. They have never r...   Jun 6 2008, 03:00 AM
- - Aaron   I just rolled up a wizard for the game I'll be...   Jun 6 2008, 03:50 AM
- - Nigel   I've looked at all the PDFs, and I agree about...   Jun 6 2008, 03:56 AM
- - imperialus   I'm going to be picking up the core books toda...   Jun 6 2008, 04:13 PM
- - bishop186   My group got our hands on the PDFs a week ago and ...   Jun 6 2008, 04:42 PM
|- - imperialus   QUOTE (bishop186 @ Jun 6 2008, 09:42 AM) ...   Jun 6 2008, 05:19 PM
|- - spica2501   QUOTE (bishop186 @ Jun 6 2008, 12:42 PM) ...   Jun 9 2008, 04:15 AM
|- - Caine Hazen   QUOTE (spica2501 @ Jun 8 2008, 11:15 PM) ...   Jun 9 2008, 12:46 PM
|- - bishop186   QUOTE (spica2501 @ Jun 8 2008, 11:15 PM) ...   Jun 10 2008, 11:05 AM
|- - raphabonelli   QUOTE (bishop186 @ Jun 10 2008, 07:05 AM)...   Jun 10 2008, 12:04 PM
- - Aaron   I don't think the idea of cards as a game aid ...   Jun 6 2008, 05:11 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   Nisarg/RPGPundit always has fun things to say abou...   Jun 6 2008, 05:54 PM
- - Particle_Beam   Hehe, yes, true, it's always funny to read abo...   Jun 6 2008, 07:45 PM
- - Nightwalker450   I'm actually a fan of the multi-classing.. If ...   Jun 6 2008, 08:50 PM
|- - Mercer   QUOTE (Nightwalker450 @ Jun 6 2008, 08:50...   Jun 7 2008, 03:17 PM
- - Particle_Beam   Multiclassing got changed, once more. In D&D 2...   Jun 6 2008, 09:30 PM
- - tete   QUOTE (spica2501 @ Jun 6 2008, 01:41 AM) ...   Jun 6 2008, 09:39 PM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (tete @ Jun 6 2008, 04:39 PM) I als...   Jun 7 2008, 05:15 AM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Aaron @ Jun 7 2008, 12:15 AM) Good...   Jun 8 2008, 12:42 PM
- - Smed   I haven't seen the 4th edition stuff yet, and ...   Jun 7 2008, 04:13 PM
|- - Fabe   QUOTE (Smed @ Jun 7 2008, 12:13 PM) I Ebe...   Jun 8 2008, 02:55 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   Also, LOL at how this thread with its little negat...   Jun 7 2008, 09:09 PM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Jun 7 2008, 04:09 ...   Jun 7 2008, 10:27 PM
- - Adam   QUOTE (spica2501 @ Jun 5 2008, 09:41 PM) ...   Jun 7 2008, 10:07 PM
- - Alex   Personally, when I need a my fix of a game using a...   Jun 8 2008, 12:54 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Alex @ Jun 7 2008, 08:54 PM) Perso...   Jun 8 2008, 03:42 AM
- - Snow_Fox   Personally we never really felt a need to 'upg...   Jun 8 2008, 02:20 AM
- - apollo124   So for you who already have the new PHB, did it co...   Jun 8 2008, 04:34 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (apollo124 @ Jun 8 2008, 02:34 PM) ...   Jun 8 2008, 05:56 AM
||- - imperialus   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 7 2008, 10:56 PM) No...   Jun 8 2008, 04:17 PM
|- - Fabe   QUOTE (apollo124 @ Jun 8 2008, 12:34 AM) ...   Jun 8 2008, 05:34 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Fabe @ Jun 8 2008, 01:34 PM) Besid...   Jun 8 2008, 05:38 PM
|- - Fabe   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Jun 8 2008, 01:38 ...   Jun 8 2008, 06:22 PM
- - Particle_Beam   Ehr, you're not really going to tell us that y...   Jun 8 2008, 04:58 AM
- - Dumori   I hate the way D&D 4e has become you want to d...   Jun 8 2008, 01:25 PM
- - imperialus   Well in a lot of ways that's also a return to ...   Jun 8 2008, 04:02 PM
- - Dumori   @ imperialus by crafting chars I mean my warforged...   Jun 8 2008, 07:37 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...after slugging through this thread (BTW, what i...   Jun 8 2008, 11:04 PM
- - apollo124   (Leaning on wood cane) "Why, back in my day s...   Jun 9 2008, 01:36 AM
- - Larme   I got a chance to play too. And despite the radic...   Jun 9 2008, 01:45 AM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Larme @ Jun 8 2008, 08:45 PM) Figh...   Jun 9 2008, 06:02 AM
- - imperialus   A lot of the old fluff was pretty hit or miss thou...   Jun 9 2008, 05:38 AM
- - Particle_Beam   A level 1 Fighter has far more things to chose fro...   Jun 9 2008, 10:57 AM
- - Fuchs   I am intrigued by the "rituals". I'l...   Jun 9 2008, 11:08 AM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Fuchs @ Jun 9 2008, 06:08 AM) I am...   Jun 9 2008, 12:54 PM
|- - Fuchs   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 9 2008, 02:54 ...   Jun 9 2008, 01:10 PM
- - Particle_Beam   Disarm, Grapple and Trip only got used when you ha...   Jun 9 2008, 02:09 PM
- - last_of_the_great_mikeys   I only wish they'd strip Ed Greenwood of all h...   Jun 9 2008, 07:26 PM
- - Fortune   Shrug. To each their own. I quite like most of Ed ...   Jun 9 2008, 09:54 PM
- - Dumori   Ed Greenwood has all ways been a story teller the ...   Jun 9 2008, 10:06 PM
- - hyzmarca   My question is, does the Spelunker build still wor...   Jun 9 2008, 11:41 PM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jun 9 2008, 06:41 PM) M...   Jun 10 2008, 06:29 AM
- - Fortune   To each his own. I hated Dark Sun!   Jun 10 2008, 09:14 PM
- - spica2501   Wow, I didn't know about that dragon thing in ...   Jun 10 2008, 11:01 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...of all the settings I liked Forgotten Realms th...   Jun 11 2008, 06:14 AM
- - Particle_Beam   Meh, your average hack'neyed fantasy setting w...   Jun 11 2008, 06:45 AM
- - Fuchs   I'd not call the Realms a "hodgepot of ri...   Jun 11 2008, 07:18 AM
- - Hatspur   I just hope that the majority of the old d20 books...   Jun 11 2008, 04:31 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   Duurh, what happens when you use Raise Dead on som...   Jun 11 2008, 05:41 PM
- - Aaron   I'm guessing that "you canâ€...   Jun 11 2008, 06:16 PM
- - Particle_Beam   Normally, you can't raise somebody from the de...   Jun 11 2008, 06:23 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   LOL, watch pheonixes become endangered speices.   Jun 11 2008, 09:05 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Meh. Hardly any of the "Nature" rituals ...   Jun 11 2008, 09:10 PM
- - Particle_Beam   Perhaps. And perhaps the theoretical Reincarnation...   Jun 11 2008, 10:26 PM
- - GrepZen   The "Council of Wyrms" (CW) setting was ...   Jun 13 2008, 12:39 PM
|- - paws2sky   QUOTE (GrepZen @ Jun 13 2008, 07:39 AM) W...   Jun 13 2008, 02:17 PM
||- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (paws2sky @ Jun 13 2008, 10:17 AM) ...   Jun 14 2008, 12:21 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (GrepZen @ Jun 13 2008, 07:39 AM) I...   Jun 14 2008, 12:04 AM
|- - GrepZen   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Jun 14 2008, 12:04...   Jun 14 2008, 03:01 PM
- - Particle_Beam   "Kill the monster" has always been the b...   Jun 14 2008, 05:03 PM
- - FrankTrollman   The problem for me isn't that they took the fi...   Jun 14 2008, 08:11 PM
- - Particle_Beam   Oh man, FrankTrollmann, if you're still adaman...   Jun 14 2008, 11:58 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Particle_Beam @ Jun 14 2008, 06:58...   Jun 15 2008, 12:13 AM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Particle_Beam @ Jun 14 2008, 07:58...   Jun 15 2008, 01:51 AM
- - Particle_Beam   Yes, perhaps, if you feel threatened to it. Howeve...   Jun 15 2008, 12:43 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Particle_Beam @ Jun 14 2008, 07:43...   Jun 15 2008, 06:18 AM
- - bishop186   I'm sorry, I might just be missing it, but wha...   Jun 15 2008, 05:59 AM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (bishop186 @ Jun 15 2008, 12:59 AM)...   Jun 15 2008, 06:46 AM
|- - bishop186   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 15 2008, 12:46...   Jun 15 2008, 02:12 PM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (bishop186 @ Jun 15 2008, 09:12 AM)...   Jun 15 2008, 03:41 PM
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- - Malicant   Frank, it might come as a suprise, but "autos...   Jun 16 2008, 01:19 PM
|- - bishop186   Okay, I'll give you that, then. I don't fi...   Jun 16 2008, 02:55 PM
- - deek   I have to agree with you, combat does seem to last...   Jun 17 2008, 06:05 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE As for skill challenges...that's really ...   Jun 17 2008, 06:30 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 17 2008, 01:30...   Jun 17 2008, 11:22 PM
- - Fuchs   So adjust the difficulty.   Jun 17 2008, 06:34 PM
- - deek   Ummm...yeah, Frank, why is the DC a 20 at first le...   Jun 17 2008, 07:00 PM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (deek @ Jun 17 2008, 03:00 PM) Ummm...   Jun 17 2008, 08:59 PM
- - last_of_the_great_mikeys   But we CAN hack and slash! So, when we fail th...   Jun 17 2008, 07:41 PM
- - deek   Hack and Slash = roll dice, use predetermined powe...   Jun 17 2008, 08:00 PM
- - Fuchs   Well, as I said - lower the DC. People did the mat...   Jun 18 2008, 07:17 AM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Fuchs @ Jun 18 2008, 03:17 AM) Wel...   Jun 18 2008, 07:34 AM
- - Fuchs   The way I see it, it's a more codified system ...   Jun 18 2008, 08:35 AM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Fuchs @ Jun 18 2008, 04:35 AM) Fra...   Jun 18 2008, 08:59 AM
- - Wolfx   Frank, I greatly appreciat the fact that you have...   Jun 18 2008, 10:21 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Wolfx @ Jun 18 2008, 05:21 AM) I u...   Jun 18 2008, 10:28 AM
- - deek   I'd have to agree with Fuchs...chaining togeth...   Jun 18 2008, 12:49 PM
- - Aaron   Any thoughts on using the system they use for dise...   Jun 18 2008, 01:27 PM
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