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Ultrasound is described as being "...perfect to “see” textures, calculate exact distances, and pick up things otherwise invisible to the naked eye (like people cloaked by an Invisibility spell)..." (SR4A, 333). Descriptively, this makes it sound like you can walk around with your eyes closed or in a completely dark room without any problem. It also sounds like you can detect any invisible person without a problem.

However, the Visibility Table on page 152 of SR4A includes dice pool penalties for ultrasound when you are in less-than-ideal lighting conditions, which implies that ultrasound does not let you see perfectly in total darkness, or even partial darkness for that matter, and by extension implies that you also wouldn't be able to see invisible people with perfect clarity.

So, just how well does ultrasound allow you to "see"? Can you see invisible people without making a Perception Test if they aren't otherwise trying to hide? If you can see invisible people, do you suffer any penalty to hit them in combat, including needing to use Intuition instead of Agility ("Blind Fire", SR4A, 150-151)?
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- Ranger   How does ultrasound work, in game mechanics terms?   Nov 25 2009, 10:39 PM
- - Mongoose   Ultrasound vision is basically "radar" i...   Nov 25 2009, 10:51 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Mongoose @ Nov 25 2009, 05:51 PM) ...   Nov 26 2009, 12:36 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Nov 25 2009, 07:36 PM) ...   Nov 26 2009, 03:16 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 25 2009, 10:16 PM) ...   Nov 26 2009, 03:34 AM
|- - 3278   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Nov 26 2009, 04:34 AM) ...   Nov 26 2009, 07:04 AM
- - Mercer   How do Silence spells affect ultrasound? Does it ...   Nov 25 2009, 10:53 PM
- - Mongoose   IIRC, a silence spell basically creates a big Ultr...   Nov 25 2009, 10:58 PM
- - Ranger   Thanks, Mongoose. To re-ask my final questions: w...   Nov 25 2009, 11:04 PM
- - Karoline   I'd noticed that too about how ultrasound take...   Nov 25 2009, 11:09 PM
|- - Ranger   QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 25 2009, 03:09 PM) ...   Nov 25 2009, 11:16 PM
|- - Doc Byte   QUOTE (Ranger @ Nov 26 2009, 12:16 AM) Ev...   Nov 26 2009, 01:00 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Doc Byte @ Nov 25 2009, 08:00 PM) ...   Nov 26 2009, 02:49 AM
- - Mongoose   Well, at 100Khz (about what diagnostic ultrasound ...   Nov 25 2009, 11:27 PM
|- - 3278   QUOTE (Mongoose @ Nov 26 2009, 12:27 AM) ...   Nov 26 2009, 03:11 AM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Mongoose @ Nov 26 2009, 12:27 AM) ...   Nov 26 2009, 07:48 AM
- - Ranger   If a person is standing behind a pillar that compl...   Nov 25 2009, 11:40 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Ranger @ Nov 25 2009, 06:40 PM) If...   Nov 25 2009, 11:45 PM
- - Mongoose   No. Not unless the pillar is made of something so...   Nov 25 2009, 11:46 PM
- - Ranger   Thank you, Karoline and Mongoose. I understand a ...   Nov 25 2009, 11:49 PM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   That's exactly what it is.   Nov 26 2009, 12:36 AM
- - 3278   The effects of Silence and similar spells on ultra...   Nov 26 2009, 07:55 AM
|- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (3278 @ Nov 26 2009, 02:55 AM) The ...   Nov 26 2009, 08:04 AM
- - Stumps   Ultrasound for a metahuman naturally would probabl...   Nov 26 2009, 11:49 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Stumps @ Nov 26 2009, 06:49 AM) Ul...   Nov 26 2009, 03:26 PM
|- - Heath Robinson   QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 26 2009, 03:26 PM) ...   Nov 26 2009, 05:28 PM
|- - Stumps   QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 26 2009, 04:26 PM) ...   Nov 26 2009, 07:42 PM
|- - Doc Byte   QUOTE (Stumps @ Nov 26 2009, 08:42 PM) A ...   Nov 27 2009, 01:18 AM
|- - Stumps   QUOTE (Doc Byte @ Nov 27 2009, 02:18 AM) ...   Nov 27 2009, 08:24 AM
|- - Dahrken   QUOTE (Stumps @ Nov 27 2009, 09:24 AM) So...   Nov 27 2009, 08:53 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Dahrken @ Nov 27 2009, 03:53 AM) B...   Nov 27 2009, 11:10 AM
||- - etherial   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Nov 27 2009, 06:10 AM) ...   Nov 27 2009, 07:30 PM
|- - Doc Byte   QUOTE (Dahrken @ Nov 27 2009, 09:53 AM) B...   Nov 27 2009, 04:09 PM
|- - Stumps   QUOTE (Dahrken @ Nov 27 2009, 09:53 AM) M...   Nov 27 2009, 08:06 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Stumps @ Nov 27 2009, 05:06 PM) In...   Nov 28 2009, 12:38 AM
|- - Stumps   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Nov 28 2009, 12...   Nov 28 2009, 02:43 AM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   I've always thought of ultrasound vision just ...   Nov 26 2009, 02:36 PM
|- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Nov 26 2009, 10...   Nov 26 2009, 07:22 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (hahnsoo @ Nov 26 2009, 04:22 PM) T...   Nov 26 2009, 08:17 PM
|- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Nov 26 2009, 03...   Nov 26 2009, 08:57 PM
|- - Dahrken   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Nov 26 2009, 09...   Nov 27 2009, 06:31 AM
- - 3278   An excellent treatment of echolocation for the lay...   Nov 27 2009, 09:22 AM
- - hahnsoo   On the other hand, we don't know if the softwa...   Nov 27 2009, 08:18 PM
- - Tachi   Aren't the ultrasound 'visual' penalti...   Nov 27 2009, 09:47 PM
- - Draco18s   Bats have to send out 200 pings a second in order ...   Nov 28 2009, 01:12 AM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   Consider this. If ultrasound imaging was the bee...   Nov 28 2009, 06:29 AM
|- - Stumps   QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Nov 28 2009, 06...   Nov 28 2009, 06:38 AM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Stumps @ Nov 28 2009, 03:38 AM) I...   Nov 28 2009, 02:36 PM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   Sound barriers are a little more useful than just ...   Nov 28 2009, 06:40 AM
- - Stumps   Oh well yeah, but I've seen plenty of mages ju...   Nov 28 2009, 06:42 AM
- - CanadianWolverine   I just watched this DailyPlanet show on Discovery ...   Nov 28 2009, 07:42 AM
- - 3278   QUOTE (Stumps @ Nov 28 2009, 03:43 AM) I...   Dec 1 2009, 04:19 AM
- - Karoline   Wow, so much to respond to. That'll teach me ...   Dec 1 2009, 11:47 AM
|- - 3278   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 1 2009, 11:47 AM) I...   Dec 2 2009, 05:28 AM
- - Karoline   I didn't think the loud sound would be an issu...   Dec 2 2009, 12:22 PM
|- - 3278   QUOTE (Karoline @ Dec 2 2009, 01:22 PM) I...   Dec 2 2009, 04:19 PM
- - Doc Byte   Another point: What happens when two ultrasound sy...   Dec 2 2009, 06:01 PM
|- - 3278   QUOTE (Doc Byte @ Dec 2 2009, 07:01 PM) A...   Dec 2 2009, 08:34 PM
- - Mongoose   Multiple systems probably wouldn't be an issue...   Dec 2 2009, 08:37 PM


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