 Sustaining Spell Questions... |
  |
  Sep 11 2010, 07:37 AM
Post
#1
|
|
|
Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 147 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bronx, NY Member No.: 1,757  |
I pretty much had 3 questions in terms of Sustaining Spells, if anyone could gimme some page numbers or reference links I'd be really greatful!
When you cast and Sustain a Spell on someone that's within line of sight, do they need to remain within your line of sight in order to keep sustaining it or can you walk away and keep it up? With Spell Sustaining Foci, in the Street Magic book on pg. 84, it states you can stack 2 different types of Foci, but what if you wanted to stack 2 of the Sustaining Foci of the same types? (ex. 2 Force 3 Health Sustaining Foci to make it 1 Force 6 Foci) Finally, is there anyway you can upgrade your foci without wasting the investment of Karma and having to repurchase one all over again? (Ex. You have a Force 6 Sustaining Foci and you just bought up your Magic to 7, can you somehow upgrade your Sustaining Foci to Force 7 or do you have to rebind a whole new one?) -------------------- "Do you hear that Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability... That is the sound of your death."
-Agent Smith from The Matrix |
 |
 
|
|
Sep 11 2010, 07:46 AM
Post
#2
|
|
|
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,284 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 |
-yes, they can walk away, but not through wards
-no -no, but there's always GM fiat -------------------- Compilation of self-brewed traditions found in this forum: klick -------------------- QUOTE (Robert Heinlein @ Time Enough for Love) Specialization is for insects QUOTE (Dragnar @ May 27 2009, 01:37 AM)  I think that's the first time I've heard a dicepool of 29 being described as "rather disappointing". I love dumpshock. :D |
|
|
|
|
Sep 11 2010, 07:49 AM
Post
#3
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 147 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bronx, NY Member No.: 1,757 |
So basically it's a matter of investing in Foci at the beginning of your first few missions or hold off until you get to the desired Magic rating you wanted?
-------------------- "Do you hear that Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability... That is the sound of your death."
-Agent Smith from The Matrix |
|
|
|
|
Sep 11 2010, 12:40 PM
Post
#4
|
|
|
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,679 Joined: 19-September 09 Member No.: 17,652 |
QUOTE (Jonny Reload @ Sep 11 2010, 02:49 AM) So basically it's a matter of investing in Foci at the beginning of your first few missions or hold off until you get to the desired Magic rating you wanted? More or less. I don't think the enchanting rules have anything for 'upgrading' a focus. Then again, the rules don't have anything for upgrading 'ware either, but some groups allow it. Might be able to convince your GM that focus upgrades should be allowed as well if 'ware upgrades are allowed. Oh, and one slight addendum for Makki's answer. The person can walk through a ward, but either the ward or the spell will break in doing so. -------------------- "Justice, like lightning, ever should appear to only a few men's ruin, but to all men's fear."
Context is important "You know the old saying, "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight?" Well, I brought a gun. He's awefully screwed up and he's had the everloving shit kicked out of him, but he's still a gun. You? You brought an octopus." |
|
|
|
|
Sep 11 2010, 04:14 PM
Post
#5
|
|
|
Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 13,139 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE With Spell Sustaining Foci, in the Street Magic book on pg. 84, it states you can stack 2 different types of Foci, but what if you wanted to stack 2 of the Sustaining Foci of the same types? (ex. 2 Force 3 Health Sustaining Foci to make it 1 Force 6 Foci) Well... you can have a Stacked Foci, And I would see no reason that you could not have a Stacked Foci that consists of a Single Focus with 2 Sustaining Foci (Force 3 Each), both of which were the same Spell Category (Health)... You would not have a Force 6 Sustaining Focus however, it would be a Stacked Foci with 2 Force 3 Sustaining Foci blended together... it is a subtle difference, but an important one... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) -------------------- Keep the Faith...
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. - James. D. Nicoll |
|
|
|
|
Sep 12 2010, 01:17 PM
Post
#6
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 195 Joined: 31-January 10 Member No.: 18,100 |
Please excuse me as I do a minor hijack to as a more refined version of the followin question:
QUOTE (Jonny Reload @ Sep 11 2010, 03:37 AM) When you cast and Sustain a Spell on someone that's within line of sight, do they need to remain within your line of sight in order to keep sustaining it or can you walk away and keep it up? If the spell in question is an illusion, do they still need to keep it in sight or can they just let it walk around the corner? |
|
|
|
|
Sep 12 2010, 01:20 PM
Post
#7
|
|
|
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,444 Joined: 18-April 08 Member No.: 15,912 |
QUOTE (Rand @ Sep 12 2010, 07:17 AM) Please excuse me as I do a minor hijack to as a more refined version of the followin question: If the spell in question is an illusion, do they still need to keep it in sight or can they just let it walk around the corner? They can let it walk around the corner, but they'll still need to be controlling it, so the illusions ability to 'interact' with the environment is going to be limited based on the mage's understanding of the environment at the time. |
|
|
|
|
Sep 12 2010, 01:24 PM
Post
#8
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 195 Joined: 31-January 10 Member No.: 18,100 |
So imposing negatives to the die roll - or positives to the opposed rolls - would be in order, again depending upon the difference between what the mage thinks the environment is like and what it actually is like..
|
|
|
|
|
Sep 12 2010, 01:30 PM
Post
#9
|
|
|
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,203 Joined: 29-October 06 Member No.: 9,731 |
QUOTE (Rand @ Sep 12 2010, 09:24 AM) So imposing negatives to the die roll - or positives to the opposed rolls - would be in order, again depending upon the difference between what the mage thinks the environment is like and what it actually is like.. Bonuses to observers' disbelief rolls would be more appropriate, IMO - nothing like seeing somebody walk through a table to convince you they're illusory. -------------------- Winter is my season; midnight, my hour; silence, my anthem.
QUOTE (DuctShuiTengu @ May 23 2009, 10:59 AM) Shoot-outs between Gandalf and the Terminator are fairly common on runs QUOTE (Sokora) A standard mission is 20 minutes of objectives, three days of planning, and 600 seconds of mayhem. I love this post. |
|
|
|
|
Sep 12 2010, 03:01 PM
Post
#10
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 195 Joined: 31-January 10 Member No.: 18,100 |
QUOTE (Tanegar @ Sep 12 2010, 08:30 AM) Bonuses to observers' disbelief rolls would be more appropriate, IMO - nothing like seeing somebody walk through a table to convince you they're illusory. Or if he was suddenly walking on air...... |
|
|
|
|
Sep 12 2010, 03:29 PM
Post
#11
|
|
|
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,679 Joined: 19-September 09 Member No.: 17,652 |
QUOTE (Rand @ Sep 12 2010, 11:01 AM) Or if he was suddenly walking on air...... Yeah, given the lack of gravity working on an illusion, a slight grade in either direction could easily mess up a mage. That said, I thought an illusion was something that needed to be kept in LoS similar to clarvoiance. -------------------- "Justice, like lightning, ever should appear to only a few men's ruin, but to all men's fear."
Context is important "You know the old saying, "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight?" Well, I brought a gun. He's awefully screwed up and he's had the everloving shit kicked out of him, but he's still a gun. You? You brought an octopus." |
|
|
|
|
Sep 12 2010, 03:53 PM
Post
#12
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 195 Joined: 31-January 10 Member No.: 18,100 |
QUOTE (Karoline @ Sep 12 2010, 11:29 AM) Yeah, given the lack of gravity working on an illusion, a slight grade in either direction could easily mess up a mage. That said, I thought an illusion was something that needed to be kept in LoS similar to clarvoiance. That is basically what I am asking, because I don't see anywhere in the book where it says that. Common sense says, "stay in sight." But, it is magic... |
|
|
|
|
Sep 12 2010, 03:54 PM
Post
#13
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 583 Joined: 1-October 09 From: France Member No.: 17,693 |
If I'm not mistaken you need LoS to move/change the illusion, but not to sustain an illusion that does not require input from the mage (like the illusion of a wall, a Mask spell, or an area effect like Chaotic World)
|
|
|
|
|
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 21st May 2013 - 12:04 PM |
Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.