 System Failure re: Poland [spoiler], I'm waiting on the paper |
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 Sep 20 2005, 07:08 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 358 Joined: 12-May 05 From: The nearest UV host near you... Member No.: 7,390  |
You're right Synner when you say "You don't like it, don't buy it". I shouldn't have bothered. This is not a total piece of drek, it's only not my type of book/story, that's all.
I'll include SR4 together with System Failure then: Matrix: If only for the new name of Transys-Erika-Novatech (NeoNet) Minority Report: Do I need to mention why?! I'm sooooo gonna get flamed for this one: I think that Winternight is totally a rip-off of Al-Quaeda and current american position.
Your apologies are accepted. I know that QA is not an easy piece of cake, I work for a software firm and I totally understand that... ^_^
Perhaps the launching schedule is part responsible of this. One of the only thing I was REALLY looking for in this book was "What is JackBNimble"... And I got disapointed... A Lot... That's not your fault... And I think that MANY people will enjoy that book... just not me... |
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Sep 20 2005, 07:38 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
You do know that 'neo' is latin for 'new', right? It wasn't coined for the movies out of thin air. |
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Sep 20 2005, 08:15 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I thought I was persona non grata to you, Synner. What do you care what I think?
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Sep 20 2005, 08:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 358 Joined: 12-May 05 From: The nearest UV host near you... Member No.: 7,390 |
Of course I know! ^_^ But what a terrible name for a corporation... ^_^ However, most major corpos have terrible names... except maybe for Ares... And perhaps Yamatetsu (which meant "Iron Mountain") |
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Sep 20 2005, 08:49 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
I can respect that, and I'm sorry the book didn't do as much for you. better luck next book, eh?
You're right, you're gonna get flames. 'cause you're wrong, and I <holds up vintage copy of Threats> have the material evidence to prove it! Go grab a copy of SoA or Loose Alliances and we'll talk about whether or not anyone's ripping anything off. |
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Sep 20 2005, 08:49 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
More like he cares about what other people might think after reading your post. This thread is about Poland and you couldn't even give a proper answer before hijacking it. :S For the record, I am the one who wrote The Tree of Liberty. Have the decency of aiming at the right target, instead of taking cheap shots at Synner. (Oi, Syn: muito obrigado) |
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Sep 20 2005, 08:51 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
[/edit] You're very negative, James. If all you do is kvetch, it does tend to rub off on people.
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Sep 20 2005, 08:54 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
I apologize if that came off wrong Jester, it wasn't intended as a jibe at you or anyone who bought the book looking for a cool time. Buying a book which turns out to be a disappointment is something that happens to everyone (I'm pissed I just picked up "40 Signs of Rain" because of the author) and I don't mean to critize that. You went in without expectations and were disappointed. I'm sorry to hear it. Doubly so because despite its faults I happen to like this book very much. It is an entirely different situation from someone who picks up a book knowing they won't like it. Someone approaching it with preconceptions and a formed opinion (ie. I think the relevant quote is something to the effect of "more of the excrement Fanpro saw fit to dump on its customers"). Not every book is going to be to everyone's taste and System Failure does warrant critiques. I just dislike one-sided and mal-informed reviews from people with chips on their shoulders.
For the record, I was in on the discussions and NeoNET was picked solely for what it stands for and its main field of business - ie. "New Novatech-Erika-Transys" and the New Matrix its turned into its cash cow. Not the most original name but most corporate names aren't and that was partly the point.
I suppose you mean AR, though I could name a dozen novels it could have been derived from too (starting with Hamilton's "Night's Dawn" trilogy and "Pandora Star"). It's a staple of post-cyberpunk literature (aka slipstream) and it provided something Matrix 1.0 could never really provide - integration of hackers into the mainstream play and ubiquitous use of the Matrix by everyone else.
All I can answer to that is that is any potential relation was the farthest thing from my mind when writing it. I had hoped Rob would allow me to use Winternight for something major and have been building on the material originally produced for the original Threats since I started the EuroSB 6 years ago. I believe I kept it faithful to the original portrayal (I'm a sucker for old storylines and characters) and gave it a twist of my own (with more than a little help from my friends).
Thank you. Many of the typos mentioned so far (in the other thread) have related to my material and I have been providing corrections as they come up.
Again different people, different strokes. Personally I like the way JackBNimble turned out and I like the potential it opens and the questions it left unanswered.
I certainly hope so and again I'm sorry it wasn't your type of thing.
You're not persona non grata, James. I just don't have the patience or the time to waste on reasonably and enjoyably debating stuff with you. At least not in the way I did before you took up your righteous anti-FanPro crusade. I don't have the time or inclination to reply to posts brimming with venom and unproductive criticism (regardless of your stated opinion on myself and my fellow writers). Much to my chagrin most of yours have unfortunately degenerated into. So, as I said previously, I choose to ignore your posts when possible. However, I will make an exception to set the record straight when I can. |
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Sep 20 2005, 08:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 226 Joined: 4-June 03 Member No.: 4,685 |
A forum without a troll isn't fully matured forum, you know :) So we should thanks to him for doing that ungrateful work. |
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 Sep 20 2005, 08:56 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
The Eugenics Board would have also been thankful for you following their recommendation to do so. |
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Sep 20 2005, 08:56 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
*draconic ahem* Saeder-Korrupt? I might be mispelling it, though... ;) |
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Sep 20 2005, 09:01 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Blakkie, do us all a favor and keep this civil. I really don't want this thread getting locked because someone decided to flame for no good reason. |
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Sep 20 2005, 09:04 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Sorry, i thought that was civility in the rear-view mirror driving off with my original topic/question. :( |
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Sep 20 2005, 09:13 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Just because someone lowers the bar, doesn't mean you have to limbo.
Regarding your original question Gen.Marszalik and his Liberation Army win. However his new government is seen by some as a front for outside forces who helped finance and support the revolution (most of which are detailed in SoE and SOTA64), and this leads to further schisms with the Domestic Army (AK) and leaves the country divided and in a very awkward situation. |
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Sep 20 2005, 09:19 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
...and a new generation of Russian military hardware enters the shadow markets of the world.
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Sep 20 2005, 09:26 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Thanks, that should be enough for my character's background over till SF shows up. P.S. Limboing is fun sometimes. :) I'm just rather whipped with James/CrimsonDude2.0's unending negativity. But i suppose maybe i shouldn't toss lighter fluid on him as often as i do hoping he'll eventually burn out? *shrug* |
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Sep 20 2005, 09:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 358 Joined: 12-May 05 From: The nearest UV host near you... Member No.: 7,390 |
Yep, I already enjoy my SR4 PDF book rigth now... ^_^ I just don't like the technomancers to be able to communicate with the matrix without a commlink...but that will change in my game.
Oh my! I didn't even knew that this group was in SoA and Loose Alliances. ^_^ I don't own either of them. Sorry. Can you tell me more about them? Their activities? Their goals? |
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Sep 20 2005, 09:40 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Winternight is a fanatical terrorist organization that wants to bring about the end of the world through the Norse Mythology of Ragnarock. Their "schtick" is the magically-enhanced nukes (whether or not they actually worked wasn't answered until System Failure) and the God chip (an "uber"-BTL that makes people go into a berserker rage). It's been around since Threats, and makes appearances in a variety of sourcebooks and a couple of novels ("Ragnarock" for one). I don't really get the Al-Quaeda vibe from them, mostly because Winternight is trying to bring about the end of the world.
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Sep 20 2005, 09:49 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
SoA and Loose Alliances have discreet Winternight references, but I was actually indicating the various Islamic terrorist groups™ that they detail.
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Sep 20 2005, 10:58 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
It's actually quite witty... Transys-Neuronet Novatech[I] merges to become [i]NeoNet. the 'net' part is kept; the whole name alludes to Neuronet, and the Nova- part of Novatech becomes the related 'Neo'. I like it. |
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Sep 20 2005, 11:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 358 Joined: 12-May 05 From: The nearest UV host near you... Member No.: 7,390 |
Seen that way, it isn't as bad as I thought... ^_^ However, I REALLY like their logo... The Fuchi Star Re-Worked... ^_^ |
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Sep 20 2005, 11:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 358 Joined: 12-May 05 From: The nearest UV host near you... Member No.: 7,390 |
Thanks for the info. |
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Sep 21 2005, 12:30 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Or the other way, as was said above ... Neo = New (also = Nova) N = Novatech E = Erica T = Transys Neuronet |
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Sep 21 2005, 12:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 502 Joined: 14-May 03 From: Detroit, Michigan Member No.: 4,583 |
My take on them was that at the core they were the only known group of toxic shamans ever to manage to work together without killing each other. (much) The "Beserker" chips and weapons of mass destruction were all just branching out. |
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Sep 21 2005, 12:32 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
They have also traditionally had a special hard-on for the Matrix. It epitomizes everything they hate about the World. |
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