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> Safehouses in the Sixth World, or, legit uses of starting resources?
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post Sep 28 2005, 10:31 PM
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Hey, everyone. I'm in a new SR 3rd game (one of my other players has a cool campaign idea), and I was just curious for a safehouse. I know the mainbook states that a Low Lifestyle constitutes a safehouse. What I was wondering, is if you bought a permanent Squatter Lifestyle, if that would cover a coffin hotel for your entire career?
What I was wanting to do is buy four or five different ones, and keep a spare pistol, a few sets of clothes, maybe an armored vest, and some extra money and fake IDs.
Essentially, I figured that they'd go off of a fingerprint or something like that. So if things get really bad you've got some back up gear, some money and a place to crash.
My GM is not certain if he'd allow this. And I wasn't sure as a player if I was over-stepping my bounds by asking for this.
And, a secondary question: What do you use for safehouses? Anything really clever that I could borrow the idea from/ steal blatantly?
Thanks for the input guys!
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post Sep 28 2005, 10:41 PM
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Yes, you can do it. It's even mentioned in the main rule book.
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post Sep 28 2005, 10:44 PM
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Sprawl Survival Guide details lifestyles in greater details, allowing you to make "safehouses" much more easily and in a more useful way. Aside from that, buying a lifestyle isn't that usefull, especially squatter. I mean, not much security inherant in hiding in someone else's basement, is there. IMO you're better off paying a few months ahead on 2-3 low lifestyles, and buying extra security such as a biometric maglock and such.
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post Sep 28 2005, 10:45 PM
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A permament squatter lifestyle is a lifetime supply of McHughs coupons and a plastiboard box to call your own. A coffin would be a low lifestyle.
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post Sep 28 2005, 10:51 PM
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But for the money, Coffin motels offer some of the best security, as they are annonymous, sanitary, and are built like friggin safes.
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post Sep 28 2005, 11:21 PM
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Keep in mind that a Permanent lifestyle is eight years, four months of Lifestyle. It's generally only worth it for retiring or exceptionally long-term characters.

For the same amount of money, you can get four months in some twenty-five different locations.

Here's a question: what would you all peg a locker in an airport or train station as?

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post Sep 29 2005, 12:12 AM
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depends, airports now have really good security and they regularly check the lockers today, let alone 65 years from now. I doubt you could keep anything of value for more than a few days before someone tossed the locker and confiscated (and subsequently lost) in short order.
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post Sep 29 2005, 01:20 AM
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^^ Airports, yep. Bus stations? Not so much, as that is mentioned in the SSG. I'd go for a set monthly payment of sorts, say :nuyen: 25-:nuyen: 50. That gets you a basic, small duffel bag sized locker. Not to say anyone has tried to jimmy it open before...
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post Sep 29 2005, 05:54 AM
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Bus station lockers are a common resource for a lot of my characters. Shouldn't cost more than Squatter prices though, as it really is no-frills.
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post Sep 29 2005, 10:58 AM
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what about an NPC whose living is storing stuff for people. Basically the bus locker only in a room with a little more security, and the guarantee that no one is ever going to go through it.

How much would someone charge a PC for using something like that?
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post Sep 29 2005, 11:06 AM
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I know it might be shocking to you, but such people do exist in reality. Such a place is called a BANK!! Did you ever hear that word before? :D
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post Sep 29 2005, 11:17 AM
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Thank you. (smart ass. :D )

But banks are A. largely owned by untrustyworthy corporations. and B. while they let you stash stuff, they do tend to make sure its nothing that violates their security. (after people put smoke bombs and stuff like that in them, to use to break into the banks)

Also, banks have "banking hours" (which seems to translate to NEVER open when you need it, at least for me.)

that means when your PC really needs that spare.. he'd be at the mercy of 9-5, and shadowrunning isn't really a 9-5 occupation.
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post Sep 29 2005, 12:28 PM
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Actually, many higher end banks are transforming the safety deposit box industry. No more control key, just a thumb-scanner to let you into the box-vault and another to retrieve your box and open it. Some even have after hours access.
Personally, I think the after hours access is a bad idea froma security stand point, but I understand that catering to the needs and wants of your client base sometimes has to come first when reasonable precautions can be made.
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post Sep 29 2005, 01:00 PM
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it also exists as your local secura-shack™, might not neccesarily be the safest, depending on a few factors, but.
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post Sep 29 2005, 01:29 PM
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Some places that might be used as safehouses: (Squatter or low lifestyle, I leave for you to decide.)

A defunct bus, semi or other large vehicle parked where no one bothers to have it moved.
A sailboat or other small boat at anchor. Hey, what about a diving bell or something like that in shallow water? Maybe for a water-oriented shaman....
Somebody's garage, basement, attic, couch.
Back room at a business of some sort. Could be a fast food place, brothel, whatever.
The cliched "tunnels" under a mall, university or other large complex. (Edited, with apologies to Kagetenshi.)
Abandoned building, say... a building partly constructed then the project was abandoned because of bankruptcy. Brand new carpets!
A church sanctuary, if you got the right contacts.
Some homeless shelters have individual rooms, probably wouldn't take much to get the employees to "reserve" one for you.
Due to military downsizing, there may be lots of unused barracks buildings out there.
Rent cheap office space?
A cabin in the woods.
The family farm? Or just the barn, maybe.
Sugar momma/daddy?

A room at the top of one of the Golden Gate bridge's towers, where you can put your ear to the hump of the cable protruding to the floor and hear the moaning of the bridge. And it has a little elevator thing that you can use to get soup for the old man who..... never mind.
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post Sep 29 2005, 01:35 PM
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I could see diving bells, that's pretty cool, except how deep would you need to be to be safe from the water traffic? Though you could always tie a ew off under a pier when nobody is looking and have a few rooms to use. Just be sure you have plenty of towels in ziplocs for when you have to go topside.
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post Sep 29 2005, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE (Dog)
The obsequious "tunnels" under a mall, university or other large complex.

What's so obsequious about them?

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post Sep 29 2005, 06:45 PM
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You could always just get one of those storage pods and live/store junk in that. Or live in a mini-storage complex, a la Snow Crash.
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post Oct 2 2005, 03:08 PM
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Sorry Kagetenshi, wrong word. (Damn you, Reader's digest! Enhancing my word-power like hell!) I'll edit.

Dad: "Y'know son, I built you a nice tree house last summer. Why don't you ever use it?"

Son: (On the verge of tears.) "'Cause there's an orc with a machine gun living in there."

Dad: (Pats son on head.) "Of course there is...."
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post Oct 3 2005, 02:20 AM
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I believe it was someone on these forums who said the best thing to do is put together a few ziplocs with the following in it, and bury/hide them all over the city.

A fully-loaded Ares Predator
- with 1 spare clip.
A RT 3 minimum fake ID.
A cheap-o credstick (:nuyen: 100- :nuyen: 2000).
Some small amount of medical supplies.
Cell phone.
For a mage, maybe some type of expendable spell focus.
If you get a big bag, maybe a bottle of water.

All you'd have to do is find a building with cinderblocks and break one of them a little bit, insert the bag, and patch the hole back up as well as you can. If you get stuck and can't return to the place with most of your gear, at least you have a gun, an ID to get out of the country (maybe. I belive most transport-scanners are rating 3), a way to call your buddies, and a drink in case you need one.

Anything else?
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post Oct 3 2005, 03:10 AM
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Done that with a character before, had several duffle bags stowed around that contained the following items
Medkit
Survial Kit
'Clean' cell phone
Letherman tool
Duct tape
Change of clothes and shoes.
Armor jacket or long coat.
Predator +2 extra clips in a concealed holster
4,000 nuyen mixed as cash and certified credstick
1,000 nuyen ID crestick
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post Oct 5 2005, 12:30 PM
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Ah, if only I had the resources to leave "several" bundles of 5000 :nuyen: lying around the city....

Time to create that "detect credstick" spell!
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post Oct 5 2005, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE (Ancient History)
A permament squatter lifestyle is a lifetime supply of McHughs coupons and a plastiboard box to call your own. A coffin would be a low lifestyle.

I wouldn't call a coffin motel on par with your average small apartment. Break it down as per Sprawl Survival Guide, and the two are fairly dissimiliar.
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post Oct 5 2005, 03:13 PM
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Anyone remember the original Blues Brothers movie? Elwood's hotel room would be the Ritz Carlton of Coffin Hotels. The Motel 6 of Coffin hotels would be a number 9x1x2 (with the first 9 being horizontal) rectangular lockers stacked side by side and on top of each other.
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post Oct 5 2005, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
Here's a question: what would you all peg a locker in an airport or train station as?

it'd be a squatter lifestyle, basically. you just put 0 points into everything except security, and voila.
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