Old source book fluff, vs the year now 2070 Options

[Angel's Holo...]

Ok so i was wondering.

THe year is now 2070 according to the new SR4 book.

Are the old source books from 3rd edition still useful for SR setting backround information as far as organisations and life in the sprawl etc.
I was just wondering if the information in old books is still relevent aslong as its not got anything to do with rules i'm talking about the setting itself.

Hopefully not a silly question.

[The Canterbury T...]

The only silly questions are the ones left unasked. Most of the older material is most likely still valid, unless it has been overwritten or updated in more recent books. Of course even if it isn't valid you can make it valid in your version of the world. I think most of the old sourcebooks still have mileage to them, if nothing else it gives a better grounding and history to the world.

[warrior_allanon]

the sourcebooks like SOTA, and Target:whatever, those kinda of sourcebooks are still good, what are now pretty much obsolete are your adventure modules, you know DNA/DOA, Harlyquinn, Maria Mercurial, queen Euphoria.....those are all out now, so you either have to come up with your own mission specs, wait for fanpro to come out with new adventure modules, or convert the old modules that are not timeline sensitive to SR4. some people have already done some work on the module "First Run" and i'm currently working on converting most of Missions,

[Angel's Holo...]

thanks guys,

i printed out my copy of SR4 and am madly reading it to learn it.

I was into SR3 but never realy played it or ran it because i found the rules a bit too dense and stuff but i always loved the setting.

So i'm hoping to learn this then run it for some of my online roleplaying friends.
However i might try and join a web game of SR4 also just to make some things fit together in my head through practiced example.

:nuyen: Daniel

[MaxHunter]

Welcome to the picnic. Any help you need just contact me via email.

And remember: shoot straight, conserve ammo and never - ever - deal with a dragon. (boy, I'm getting old!)

Cheers,

Max

[Czar Eggbert]

I allways thought it was; Never Deal with a Deagon, Never Trust an Elf, and Choose Your Enimies Carefully.

[RunnerPaul]

[Kleaner]

Murphys Law of Combat Operations:
1. Friendly fire - isn't.
2. Recoilless rifles - aren't.
3. Suppressive fires - won't.
4. You are not Superman; Marines and fighter pilots take note.
5. A sucking chest wound is Nature's way of telling you to slow down.
6. If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid.
7. Try to look unimportant; the enemy may be low on ammo and not want to waste a bullet on you.
8. If at first you don't succeed, call in an air strike.
9. If you are forward of your position, your artillery will fall short.
10. Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than yourself.
11. Never go to bed with anyone crazier than yourself.
12. Never forget that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.
13. If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush.
14. The enemy diversion you're ignoring is their main attack.
15. The enemy invariably attacks on two occasions:
a. When they're ready.
b. When you're not.
16. No OPLAN ever survives initial contact.
17. There is no such thing as a perfect plan.
18. Five second fuses always burn three seconds.
19. There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole.
20. A retreating enemy is probably just falling back and regrouping.
21. The important things are always simple; the simple are always hard.
22. The easy way is always mined.
23. Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy other people to shoot at.
24. Don't look conspicuous; it draws fire. For this reason, it is not at all uncommon for aircraft carriers to be known as bomb magnets.
25. Never draw fire; it irritates everyone around you.
26. If you are short of everything but the enemy, you are in the combat zone.
27. When you have secured the area, make sure the enemy knows it too.
28. Incoming fire has the right of way.
29. No combat ready unit has ever passed inspection.
30. No inspection ready unit has ever passed combat.
31. If the enemy is within range, so are you.
32. The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire.
33. Things which must be shipped together as a set, aren't.
34. Things that must work together, can't be carried to the field that way.
35. Radios will fail as soon as you need fire support.
36. Radar tends to fail at night and in bad weather, and especially during both).
37. Anything you do can get you killed, including nothing.
38. Make it too tough for the enemy to get in, and you won't be able to get out.
39. Tracers work both ways.
40. If you take more than your fair share of objectives, you will get more than your fair share of objectives to take.
41. When both sides are convinced they're about to lose, they're both right.
42. Professional soldiers are predictable; the world is full of dangerous amateurs.
43. Military Intelligence is a contradiction.
44. Fortify your front; you'll get your rear shot up.
45. Weather ain't neutral.
46. If you can't remember, the Claymore is pointed towards you.
47. Air defense motto: shoot 'em down; sort 'em out on the ground.
48. 'Flies high, it dies; low and slow, it'll go'.
49. The Cavalry doesn't always come to the rescue.
50. Napalm is an area support weapon.
51. Mines are equal opportunity weapons.
52. B-52s are the ultimate close support weapon.
53. Sniper's motto: reach out and touch someone.
54. Killing for peace is like screwing for virginity.
55. The one item you need is always in short supply.
56. Interchangeable parts aren't.
57. It's not the one with your name on it; it's the one addressed "to whom it may concern" you've got to think about.
58. When in doubt, empty your magazine.
59. The side with the simplest uniforms wins.
60. Combat will occur on the ground between two adjoining maps.
61. If the Platoon Sergeant can see you, so can the enemy.
62. Never stand when you can sit, never sit when you can lie down, never stay awake when you can sleep.
63. The most dangerous thing in the world is a Second Lieutenant with a map and a compass.
64. Exceptions prove the rule, and destroy the battle plan.
65. Everything always works in your HQ, everything always fails in the Colonel's HQ.
66. The enemy never watches until you make a mistake.
67. One enemy soldier is never enough, but two is entirely too many.
68. A clean (and dry) set of BDU's is a magnet for mud and rain.
69. The worse the weather, the more you are required to be out in it.
70. Whenever you have plenty of ammo, you never miss. Whenever you are low on ammo, you can't hit the broad side of a barn.
71. The more a weapon costs, the farther you will have to send it away to be repaired.
72. The complexity of a weapon is inversely proportional to the IQ of the weapon's operator.
73. Field experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.
74. No matter which way you have to march, its always uphill.
75. If enough data is collected, a board of inquiry can prove anything.
76. For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. (in boot camp)
77. Air strikes always overshoot the target, artillery always falls short.
78. When reviewing the radio frequencies that you just wrote down, the most important ones are always illegible.
79. Those who hesitate under fire usually do not end up KIA or WIA.
80. The tough part about being an officer is that the troops don't know what they want, but they know for certain what they don't want.
81. To steal information from a person is called plagiarism. To steal information from the enemy is called gathering intelligence.
82. The weapon that usually jams when you need it the most is the M60.
83. The perfect officer for the job will transfer in the day after that billet is filled by someone else.
84. When you have sufficient supplies & ammo, the enemy takes 2 weeks to attack. When you are low on supplies & ammo the enemy decides to attack that night.
85. The newest and least experienced soldier will usually win the Medal of Honor.
86. A Purple Heart just proves that were you smart enough to think of a plan, stupid enough to try it, and lucky enough to survive.
87. Murphy was a grunt.
88. Beer Math --> 2 beers times 37 men equals 49 cases.
89. Body count Math --> 3 guerrillas plus 1 probable plus 2 pigs equals 37 enemies killed in action.
90. The bursting radius of a hand grenade is always one foot greater than your jumping range.
91. All-weather close air support doesn't work in bad weather.
92. The combat worth of a unit is inversely proportional to the smartness of its outfit and appearance.
93. The crucial round is a dud.
94. Every command which can be misunderstood, will be.
95. There is no such place as a convenient foxhole.
96. Don't ever be the first, don't ever be the last and don't ever volunteer to do anything.
97. If your positions are firmly set and you are prepared to take the enemy assault on, he will bypass you.
98. If your ambush is properly set, the enemy won't walk into it.
99. If your flank march is going well, the enemy expects you to outflank him.
100. Density of fire increases proportionally to the curiousness of the target.
101. Odd objects attract fire - never lurk behind one.
102. The more stupid the leader is, the more important missions he is ordered to carry out.
103. The self-importance of a superior is inversely proportional to his position in the hierarchy (as is his deviousness and mischievousness).
104. There is always a way, and it usually doesn't work.
105. Success occurs when no one is looking, failure occurs when the General is watching.
106. The enemy never monitors your radio frequency until you broadcast on an unsecured channel.
107. Whenever you drop your equipment in a fire-fight, your ammo and grenades always fall the farthest away, and your canteen always lands at your feet.
108. As soon as you are served hot chow in the field, it rains.
109. Never tell the Platoon Sergeant you have nothing to do.
110. The seriousness of a wound (in a fire-fight) is inversely proportional to the distance to any form of cover.
111. Walking point = sniper bait.
112. Your bivouac for the night is the spot where you got tired of marching that day.
113. If only one solution can be found for a field problem, then it is usually a stupid solution.
114. Radios function perfectly until you need fire support.
115. What gets you promoted from one rank gets you killed in the next rank.
116. Odd objects attract fire. You are odd.
117. Your mortar barrage will put exactly one round on the intended target. That round will be a dud.
118. Mine fields are not neutral.
119. The weight of your equipment is proportional to the time you have been carrying it.
120. Things that must be together to work can never be shipped together.
121. If you need an officer in a hurry take a nap.
122. The effective killing radius is greater than the average soldier can throw it.
123. Professionals are predictable, its the amateurs that are dangerous.
124. No matter which way you have to march, its always uphill.
125. The worse the weather, the more you are required to be out in it.
126. The quartermaster has only two sizes, too large and too small. (or "on order")
127. The only time suppressive fire works is when it is used on abandoned positions.
128. When a front line soldier overhears two General Staff officers conferring,
he has fallen back too far.
129. Don't ever be the first, don't ever be the last, and don't ever volunteer to do anything.
130. If at first you don't succeed, then bomb disposal probably isn't for you.
131. Any ship can be a minesweeper . . . . once.
132. Whenever you lose contact with the enemy, look behind you.
133. If you find yourself in front of your platoon they know something you don't.
134. The seriousness of a wound (in a firefight) is inversely proportional to the distance to any form of cover.
135. The more stupid the leader is, the more important missions he is ordered to carry out.
136. When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not your friend.
137 When the enemy is closing, the artillery will always be to long
138 Smart bombs have bad days too.
139 Uncrating and assembly instructions are always inside the crate.
140 If you have a personality conflict with your superior: he has the personality, you have the conflict.
141 If you enter the CO's Presence with an idea, you will leave his Presence with the CO's idea.

142. All or any of the Murphys Laws above combined

[PlatonicPimp]

Some of those are repeats. Trim in the name of Efficiency! (This has been your daily dose of Macnamara.)

[Kleaner]

Another one of Murphy's laws: Efficient for you equals more work for someone else.

:D

[Redhammer the Ol...]

[Aza]

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
Albert Einstein

The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Pirates Shadowrunners
*Pillage, then burn.
*A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
*Only cheaters prosper.
*When the going gets tough, the tough call for air support.
*There is no overkill. There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload"
*Mockery and derision have their place. Usually, it's on the far side of the airlock.
*If violence wasn't your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
*Never turn you back on an enemy.
*Do unto Others.
*Your name is in the mouth of others: be sure it has teeth.
*Don't be afraid to be the first to resort to violence.
*The Enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.
*A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
*If you’re leaving scorch marks...you need a bigger gun.
*That which does not kill you has made a tactical error.
*Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Take his fish away and tell him he's lucky just to be alive, and he'll figure out how to catch another one for you to take tomorrow.

[Blueangel]

I'm in the U.S millitary and those Murphy's laws are so very close to true. I printed them out and brought them to my flight and they all got a laugh. To solve any questions early, I'm in the Air Force, but I'm in the most dangerous job out there. I provide security and drive for the convoys across Iraq.

[Doc-Pond-Water]

What parts of Iraq you been through? I have seen more of central Iraq then I care to remember. Murphys laws of combat was an official hand out for the Combat life saver courses I taught to soon-too-deploy troops. They thought they were funny...of course the reality of their truth makes them less funny.
Good to see a fellow trooper playing SR

[Voran]

Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women.

[DrowVampyre]

* Ranking officers on the lines are dangerous.

* Limited intelligence reports are inadequate.
Detailed intelligence reports are inaccurate.
Highly detailed intelligence reports are traps.

* Don't stick your head out - it draws fire.
Don't draw fire - it makes everyone near you nervous.
If you're going to draw fire, do it over there.

* A secure area never is.

* The only terrain you control is the ground you're standing on.

* Get there first with more.
Getting there first is the problem.

* When in doubt, open fire.

* There are very few problems that can't be solved with sufficient firepower.

* Burning ammo is better than burning medical supplies.

* Enemies don't appreciate subtlety - use more explosives.

[NightHaunter]

There is no problem that cannot be solved if you have some Duct Tape.

[Konsaki]

/cast resurect thread

The goal of every fighter is not to die for their cause, but to make the other guy die for their cause.

[TheRedRightHand]

If violence doesn't get you what you want, then you are not being violent enough.

[BookWyrm]

[Adam]

Admin post: Fuck, it's bad enough when on-topic threads are brought back from the dead.