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Elfinster
post Oct 3 2005, 07:46 PM
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I'm new to shadowrun so please go easy. I've been working with my GM to develop a new personal sidearm. I am including real life references on numbers. The RL guns are compared to in game weaponry to get a feel for what the new gun should be capable of. Let me know what you think (good or bad).



Gun parts pricing


Possible mounts
-Barrel
-Top Mount



Damage AP Mode RC Ammo Cost
6P -2 SA/BF 3 12© 3000$



Gas-Vent System 3- 400$
Sound Suppresser- 300$
Internal Smartgun- x2 weapon cost


Ceska Black Scorpian base price- 550$
Gas-Vent 3 and Suppresser- 700$
-23 rounds from clip- -100$
No stock- - 50$
+2 base damage- 200$
-2 AP- 200$
Internal Smartgun x2 Total Price
15% Special Creation Charge 450$
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Total Price: 3450$



This finely crafted weapon is modeled after the late 20th century Israeli Industries .45ACP Desert Eagle.
The size has been reduced and overall weight lightened by the introduction of incredibly strong polyfibers.
The lighter weight required a high powered gas-vent system to reduce the recoil.
Modified with burst-fire capabilites and suppressed for covert operations, the Israeli Arms "Night Hammer" is the
perfect choice power and stealth. This particular model has been fitted with an integrated Smartgun.



Real Life Notes

.45 ACPDesert Eagle
Bullet Weight Bullet Velocity Powder Weight Gun Weight Caliber
230 900 6 4.4lbs .45/11.43mm

Recoil Penetration Permanent Cavity (Wound)
5ft/lbs at 10fps 8.66"-15.6" 22mm-20mm


92FS

Bullet Weight Bullet Velocity Powder Weight Gun Weight Caliber
115 1166 5.6 2.2lbs .35/9mm

Recoil Penetration Permanent Cavity (Wound)
3ft/lbs at 9fps 7.87" 15mm



.357 Magnum

Bullet Velocity Caliber Penetration Permanent Cavity (Wound)
1390 .357/9.06mm 14.17" 18mm


**Notes**

The preceding statistics are taken for average bullets for the guns listed. Due to immense performance differences
in several .45 rounds, alternate stats were taken for Penetration and Cavity size from other more accurate sources.
The .357 mgnum stats were taken from the same source.


***References***

Terminal Ballistics (source for .357 and .45 stats): http://www.steyrscout.org/terminal.htm

Bullet Penetration Calculator (source of 92fs and other .45 stats): http://home.snafu.de/l.moeller/Poncelet/Po...let_english.htm

.45 Grain and Powder Weight: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...51/ai_n14936898

.45 Gun Weight: http://www.dentrinity.com/NelsonChen/Colle...l/DE50/De50.htm

9mm Stats: http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aast9mmv380a.htm

92FS Weight: http://products.berettausa.com/frame_tabel...=92/96%20Series


****Issues That Have Come Up****

-While the gun packs a punch, it does not have the range of an assault rifle.
-The gun is incapable of long burts.
-The Gas-Vent system is integrated into the gun and thus does not take up a mount (see page 301-302)
-Concealability would become +2 due to the bulk
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- Elfinster   Firearm Design Idea   Oct 3 2005, 07:46 PM
- - calypso   Hmm... I'm not the best person to crunch the n...   Oct 3 2005, 07:54 PM
- - tirsales   I wouldn't allow it for exactly the same reaso...   Oct 3 2005, 07:58 PM
- - Taki   As a player, I would immediately by 10 of them. A...   Oct 3 2005, 08:05 PM
- - Elfinster   Well, what would you do to balance it out more? My...   Oct 3 2005, 08:08 PM
- - hobgoblin   just goes to show why most games makes 3 guns, one...   Oct 3 2005, 08:08 PM
- - Lord Ben   To balance it? I'd use a heavy pistol stats a...   Oct 3 2005, 08:19 PM
- - Elfinster   This is what the GM and I have settled on. So how ...   Oct 3 2005, 08:54 PM
- - tirsales   Weeelll ... For one thing I personally dislike eve...   Oct 3 2005, 09:16 PM
- - calypso   If you are attempting to keep the idea of a modifi...   Oct 3 2005, 09:25 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   You know the Desert Eagle is not chambered in .45 ...   Oct 3 2005, 09:54 PM
- - Squinky   If I had to choose a gun to go with, I would go wi...   Oct 3 2005, 10:08 PM
- - Eddie Furious   I have to agree, the Gas Compensator and the Suppr...   Oct 4 2005, 02:09 AM
- - ascendance   All I know is... I want my Savalette Guardian back...   Oct 4 2005, 08:43 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE (hobgoblin) just goes to show why most games...   Oct 4 2005, 08:58 AM
- - Ophis   QUOTE (ascendance) All I know is... I want my Sava...   Oct 4 2005, 11:54 AM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (Eddie Furious @ Oct 3 2005, 09:09 PM) ...   Oct 4 2005, 01:40 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (Ophis) QUOTE (ascendance @ Oct 4 2005,...   Oct 4 2005, 01:41 PM
- - calypso   And I want my Morrisey Alta back!   Oct 4 2005, 03:12 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet)You're also supposed to ...   Oct 4 2005, 05:05 PM
- - Eddie Furious   QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet) You're also supposed to...   Oct 5 2005, 12:38 AM
- - Raygun   The Desert Eagle is a big, beefy gun with a unique...   Oct 5 2005, 04:19 AM


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