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[Arethusa]

Figured some people here would find this pretty amusing. Guess the Aussies couldn't let us hog all the stupid.

[mfb]

metal storm gl. that's the first time i've ever seen the metal storm thing actually sound cool. now if only they'd make an automatic gl with that...

[hobgoblin]

hmm, i dont think a full auto gl is a good idea as i would think you risk cooking of the grenade after some rounds have been fired.

allso, i could have sworn that this is present in the latest ghost recon addon for xbox, under the lone wolf package :P

[Austere Emancipa...]

Appears also on the front page of MetalStorm Limited.

It seems nearly all 40mm MetalStorm applications are limited to 3 or 4 shots per barrel. Those four shots can be fired inside one thousandth of a second, though. Overheating is not a problem at that point.

There are several very good reasons why automatic GLs à la Mk 19 aren't done with this technology, and I'm assuming mfb was kidding.

[Musashi Forever]

It doesn't look quite as ridiculous as the OICW, but it is still pretty ugly and just seems too bulky to make a good issued weapon. I really can't see soldiers lugging this thing around...even if they can put a grenade up a flea's butt from around a corner. :S

[hobgoblin]

multishot grenade launchers have a bad habbit of becoming bulky.

trying to stuff a heat or low light camera on top of that dont help...

[mfb]

i don't think the gl on the AICW is intended to be multi-shot, i think it's intended to spray a burst of grenades. i could be wrong.

and, yeah, when i said 'automatic gl', i basically meant the mk-19.

[Arethusa]

I hope you're wrong, or some poor Aussie's going to need a shoulder transplant sometime soon.

[ShadowDragon8685]

MetalStorm 40mm grenades....

That's a jumbo-sized can of whoop ass goin' downrange, there.

[blakkie]

[Krazy]

didn't someone say once that the AK-47 was useless as an infantry weapon because of the size? I'm suprised that they went with the 5.56x45. its been proven to have limited effectiveness, and the weight of the GL should mean that full auto fire in 7.62x51 would be managable. besided that GL can't have much more recoil than a dangerous game caliber rifle, and I hear you don't feel the recoil at all when you need to be fireing.

[hobgoblin]

what are they currently using in their rifles?

im willing to bet its 5.56 as i think that they are using the steyr aug right now:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as20-e.htm

therefor it makes sense to keep using that in any future rifle so that they dont have drag two types of ammo into the field.

this was allso why it was bad that USA picked 5.56 while the rest of nato at the time picked 7.62 or something like that. now everyone is changing over to 5.56 so that the whole of nato can share one ammo type again.

[Siege]

[Arethusa]

[Krazy]

the idea that the 47 was usless came from somewhere else. NATO and the USA have both used 5.56 and 7.62, one light one heavy. under Geneva, I think the 5.56 and 7.62 are ruled as acceptable but others are not, same why US troops carry 9mm instead of .45. the brits used only one type during ww2 the .303 brit, the idea being that infantry could salvage ammo from downed planes and broken tanks. it worked well, but that is becase the .303 is accruate and powerful compared to the 5.56. I've talked to a few guys and they agree that 5.56 is too small. I'm just wondering that with the US army swiching calibers why any new weapons are in the pipline that are outdated, I mean is sounds like something the canadian army would do

[FrostyNSO]

[Siege]

Oh, for the love of mike, don't let Raygun wander into this thread.

-Siege

[FrostyNSO]

[Austere Emancipa...]

[Crusher Bob]

Why is everyone assuming that the GL has to fire in fully automatic mode? I'd assume that the GL would normally be rigged for single shot, with metalstorm replacing the need for a box magazine holding 40mm rounds.

[Ed_209a]

The Broohaha about the 5.56mm is due to the 5.56mm M855 round IMO. It is a semi armor piercing round that is used for everything.

I wish there were two rounds in common NATO issue, a real AP round and a real antipersonnel round. Something like a soft lead bullet with a thin jacket. In standard issue, soldiers may get 5 mags of anti personell ammo and 2 mags of AP...

The M855 is extremely stable when fired from the M16a2. Too stable. It has a high velocity for it's tumble threshhold. Below that velocity, it makes a neat hole through and through instead of tumbling and fragmenting.

[Nkari]

Personally, I have never seen the point of using metal storm for any weapon, since you need to replace the whole barrel instead of just a small clip, and wee, we get 1 million rounds per second.. point being what ?

Metal storm as a one shot weapon never to be used again it may have some merit, but other than that I fail to see any use..

[Ed_209a]

Metalstorm would make an excellent CWIS platform. It would be good for any situation where the weapon would be rarely fired.

I also like the variable response area denial munition shown on the Metalstorm website. Other than that, I don't much like the idea of changing the barrel every time you change the magazine.

Perhaps if you only changed the part of the barrel with the rounds in them, but then you have to have a way to seal the gap.

[Fix-it]

[mmu1]

The 5.56mm has been performing adequately in its intended role - and one important advantage it has over 7,62mm NATO is that, given the same weight of ammo you can carry, IIRC, ~2.5 times more 5.56 rounds than you could of 7.62.