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post Oct 12 2005, 03:54 PM
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Since the comlink wirelessly controls all the devices a character is carrying (give or take), what can you think of to do when hacking people's cyber/whatever?

My 2 :nuyen:: Since there is a reference to being able to listen to your favorite music as it would sound at 10000 decibels from 20km away (or something like that), then, if you can overide the safeties, you could rig it up to play it as it would sound at 10000 decibels at 2mm from their eardrum. Now that's a headache.
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post Oct 12 2005, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE (maneius)
Since the comlink wirelessly controls all the devices a character is carrying (give or take), what can you think of to do when hacking people's cyber/whatever?

My 2 :nuyen:: Since there is a reference to being able to listen to your favorite music as it would sound at 10000 decibels from 20km away (or something like that), then, if you can overide the safeties, you could rig it up to play it as it would sound at 10000 decibels at 2mm from their eardrum. Now that's a headache.

There's a problem with that.... your favorite music at 10000 decibels from 20km away is a reasonable volume. Say, one that could be reproduced by headphones with the power output of a commlink.

Your favorite music at 10000 dB, 2mm away, couldn't be produced by a commlink. Plus the headphones couldn't handle it and would just melt.

As for an actual contribution: Take their commlink out of hidden mode. Subscribe their commlink to every porn distributor you can. Watch with glee as they're inundated with thousands of ads and soundbytes.

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post Oct 12 2005, 04:24 PM
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Sure, Cal, but wouldn't that be less of an attack and more of a favor? ;)

Hrm, unless we're talking about the wrong kind of porn. Yes. Yes, that would be Bad.

On a related note, change their personal profile to include something like:

"Bisexual/White/Male/Human seeking Any/Any/Any/Troll who likes it rough. I prefer minimal foreplay and minimal prior social interaction. Bring your own toys. My physical address is..."
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post Oct 12 2005, 04:34 PM
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Well, I think the 10k decibels from a few miles away is from simsense. So you COULD reproduce the sounds of 10k decibels up close technically. However unless you're Hot-Simed it wouldn't do anything to you because of the safety features.
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post Oct 12 2005, 04:46 PM
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No, it wouldn't burst your eardrums and hurt you, but it would be DAMN distracting to have a song playing at a very loud volume. Refer to Commlink distraction penalties... that's definatly a -2 or -3 penalty. Similarly, you can add tons of porn images playing in loop all over the victim's vision. Sensorial overload is the simplest way to screw up someone bad.

Of course, the solution is to unplug your commlink. But then that itself is a victory since it deprives the target of the bonuees he might have going for him, such as GPS spot on your team or an overlayed map.

Also, in case you have to get rid of the target's advantages pronto (such as trying to hid from someone that has a GPS location on you), you can simply crash his OS.

Hey, here's another one... put somesort of Black ICE worm in his commlink... everytime he boots it, it tries to kill him! He'll have to get a new one (or some annoying reprogramming anyway)
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post Oct 12 2005, 04:50 PM
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I'd like to swap a few select words in the dictionary of a linguasoft program.

Think "My hovercraft is full of eels," but replace "honored oyabun" with your randomized profanities of choice.
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post Oct 12 2005, 05:54 PM
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That's evil
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post Oct 12 2005, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE (Nikoli @ Oct 12 2005, 01:54 PM)
That's evil

That's our job. :D
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post Oct 12 2005, 06:08 PM
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but you would really need contextually appropriate insults and profanities to make it really bad.
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post Oct 12 2005, 06:16 PM
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Hrm, so an Agent running in the background then?
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post Oct 12 2005, 06:35 PM
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with analyze, stealth, and edit
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post Oct 12 2005, 06:41 PM
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How about hacking into someones Predator 4 and making it shoot while still tucked into its' holster (or wherever you tucked it)? Or hacking into someones cybereyes and turning them off? Or cyberlegs which start doing the 2-step everytime your cyberears hear country music? Or like someone else said about changing the linguasoft, how about changing your outgoing message to read "SINless wanted criminal here".
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post Oct 12 2005, 07:26 PM
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I'd hope that the cyberdoc would keep my internals on a closed-circuit network. If not, I'm asking for it.

... In both senses of the phrase.
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post Oct 12 2005, 07:43 PM
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A disturbing throught I just had:

Hackers can remotely steal control over nearby vehicles and ram pedestrians for a hell of a lot of damage.

Screw summoned spirits as the scariest "pets" in the game; a 10k nuyen "Honda Spirit" subcompact traveling at 61 meters per turn can throw down 16P against half of the target's Impact armor. A Westwind at full speed is 30P (but it'd be a damn shame to waste the car).
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post Oct 12 2005, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE (Azralon)
Hackers can remotely steal control over nearby vehicles and ram pedestrians for a hell of a lot of damage.

Only if it's got the rigger's black box and it was running out of hidden mode could you easily do that.

Otherwise control would be designed to be offline by any sane vehicle manufacturer for just this reason, as it would be receiving information with it's own sensors which are hardwired to each other. Additional (but not overriding) information would come from grid guide broadcasts, so you could divert a autopilot down a back street, but not into someone.

Now, if you were to engineer or find a back door (The poor fool connects his commlink directly to the autopilot for instant map downloads, or you add a cheap commlink in ahead of time,) Then you could. But that is a rare occurrence.
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post Oct 12 2005, 09:09 PM
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Whew. Okay, glad to hear it before one of my players gets a lightbulb over their heads.

Still, a (properly prepared) 10k nuyen ground missile seems tempting, particularly with an explosive payload just in case you wanted collateral damage.
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post Oct 12 2005, 09:43 PM
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Rifleman:

Cars IRL have wireless keys / starters / etc. This is obviously a feature that normal users couldn't do without that would be implemented through a comlink. I'd expect that such a car would be operating in hidden mode (waiting for a signal from the owner), so you'd need to locate it. Additionally, it would only have an admin login.

If you're still afraid of cars randomly starting, say that cars have a safety device that prevents remote control unless it's disabled - something that's really simple but requires popping the hood and flipping a physical switch.
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post Oct 13 2005, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE (Chandon)
Cars IRL have wireless keys / starters / etc. This is obviously a feature that normal users couldn't do without that would be implemented through a comlink. I'd expect that such a car would be operating in hidden mode (waiting for a signal from the owner), so you'd need to locate it. Additionally, it would only have an admin login.


I understand the point but those systems are all based on hardwired systems. Aka, not hackable. They recieve a signal, and they react acording to that signal in a single preset fashion. A switch if you would.

This is how I see vehicles development in the future: You have a computer which handles the Autopilot, which then also takes minor inputs from a select set of signal frequencies.

The frequency says, "Open lock," according to it's own electronic brain, so it opens the lock. Lonestar sends the kill code for the chip in the engine, the engine dies as the computer is told is suppost to when that signal comes in. It's sensors say a car is too close, it slows down or tries to dodge. An alien frequency comes in (aka a hacker,) it will ignore it. It's not designed to hook up to the internet in that fashion, it's not a switch it recognizes, so it won't care. The protocols aren't there.

That is why not all vehicles are drones.
Pg 238 and 239 deal with what is nessesary to command vehicles.

Edit: This is my educated opinion based on what is stated within the book and my real life experiance with hardwired computers.
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post Oct 13 2005, 12:16 AM
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So the hacker spoofs his frequency to look like one the car recognizes.
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post Oct 13 2005, 12:19 AM
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Let's review: at 150 dB, your hearing becomes damaged. At 180 dB, your sensitive internal organs would rupture, especially in a conductive fluid like water. You would not hear the music at 200dB because the sound wave would kill you instantly.
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post Oct 13 2005, 12:55 AM
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So the hacker spoofs his frequency to look like one the car recognizes.

My last post on this topic, I swear. The problem is it's not designed to use frequencies in that way. It recieves, it unlocks, it does not communicate with the web the way a commlink does.

Real life example: I can not hack your (current) cell phone if I have your cell phones frequency. I can spoof it, I can intercept your text messages, make phone calls on your bill, but I can not access your physical phone and figure out who is in your call list. I need to manually hook up to do that.

Same with cars. Electronic keys use frequency identification, rather than the frequencies themselves. I could short out your car, open your doors, start your engine, but I could not turn the wheel or apply the gas, even though the gas is controlled by a simple computer which is used to monitor and improve your gas mileage. It isn't designed that way.

The way I read it both in SR4 and Rigger 3 was that this has not changed: To make a car a drone you have to modify it do so, pop in those components to put everything under your control and take some of the limits off the autopilot. In SR4 it is easier (A commlink hookup could probably do it,) but cars are not connected 100% to the wi-fi network.

At the very least, IF they are using gridlink, they would be using a trapdoor node design, accepting only a very limited input at certain times. That is the only inherant weakness I could see.
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post Oct 13 2005, 01:40 AM
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a diffrent way to get someones phonebook from their mobile these days are via bluetooth. sure you would have to be within range and would have to fool the phone into do a sync. but you dont have to physicaly plug into it.
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post Oct 13 2005, 02:35 AM
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QUOTE (nick012000)
So the hacker spoofs his frequency to look like one the car recognizes.

Well, that's kind of the problem: according to the above poster there *wouldn't* be a signal the car recognized that also did what you wanted. The list of remote commands that the car would respond to would probably be limited to "Open Lock", "Start Engine", "Stop Engine"... and that's about it. No steering, no disabling of the handbrake, no changing gears, no gas nor brake. All of that would correspond to physical controls, but there'd be no way to do any of it wirelessly. That, IMO, is what the rigger box does, actually; give the vehicle dog-brain an expanded set of commands that would let you remote-control a vehicle.

That said, I imagine there will be many more cars with unsecured rigger black boxes around in the '70s, because the not-security-conscious yuppies will think it's too cool to have a car controllable via commlink. And in a way they'd be right; how sweet would it be to have your car pick you up? :D
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post Oct 13 2005, 02:53 PM
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Rifleman: Although it would work that way if anyone involved were security concious, I don't think that's the case. I'm pretty sure the ignition and the radio are using the same computer, and that the radio needs to be connected to the matrix to get new songs.
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post Oct 13 2005, 04:51 PM
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The point he's trying to make is that the commands just wouldn't be there at all without a rigger box. It'd be like telling your oven to bake you a pie; sure the oven can turn on and off, but telling it to do something more complicated just doesn't work.
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