 Ares Predator IV, That gun is fragging huge! |
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 Oct 14 2005, 03:46 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 14-October 05 Member No.: 7,844  |
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6960/pr...edatoriv9xe.jpg
I know it's a heavy pistol, but I don't see any reason for the weapon to be quite as big as that. How could a runner possibly get away with saying that's for personal protection? |
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Oct 14 2005, 03:51 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Trolls are big and tough. *shrug*
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Oct 14 2005, 03:53 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
well, in 2070 you have to worry about things like packs of ghouls, devil/demon rats, vampires, and such. i expect that would help.
[edit] and that's just if you live in the city! [/edit] This post has been edited by Jaid: Oct 14 2005, 03:53 PM |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 14-October 05 Member No.: 7,844 |
A troll modified Predator IV would be a heck of a lot larger even. Can you imagine a human trying to run around with that hand cannon?
The sights on that thing are giant fins. It's impossible to determine where the trigger guard ends and the barrel begins. The entire frame is HUGE. Anyone know how one could hide that on their person? To quote Pulp Fiction "Did you see the size of that gun? It was bigger than him." Also, aren't ghouls considered citizens in Seattle? |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 586 Joined: 22-November 02 From: Gordonsville, Virginia, U.S.A. (or C.A.S.) Member No.: 3,630 |
Akimbo: I'm not certain. :) "Handgun hunting", on the other hand, might wash in some less-developed areas with (a) a high population of large paracritters, or (b) in areas with a high crime problem--particularly if it's a problem involving larger Metahuman subspecies (i.e., Trolls. Orks, and the like) in areas where Dwarves and Humans are more common. Just my 0.02 :nuyen:. ;) --Foreigner |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:13 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
There might be more metal, such as a larger trigger guard to let him get his finger in. But it's still got the same bore firing the same ammo. EDIT: Oh, and what is that dumbass human doing walking around with a weapon that costs him -2 dice to shoot because it is so unwieldy? :P Yes, i would also adjust the dice for the opposed test to conceal/preceive it accordingly. Afterall it isn't the "frame" that is doing the damage....unless the damn thing stops firing and you throw it at someone. ;) *enter Boris the Blade, sneaky Russian salesman* P.S. It would be easier to hide a Troll adapted weapon on a Troll. But yes, there is a reason that heavy handguns are a notch above light handguns in that table (a table that includes things like swords and AR, which are even more of bitch to conceal). |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:13 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,431 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 5,872 |
maybe I'm a freak, but it doesn't look that oversized to me. It would be hard to conceal on yourself as all heavy pistols are anyways, but the only really oversized part IMO is the barrel. That extra part beneath it makes it look a bit thick. But hey maybe that's where the smartlink is.
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Oct 14 2005, 04:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 14-October 05 Member No.: 7,844 |
A Colt 1911 is considered a heavy pistol in this day and age. That weapon is not large. If you compare that thing to something like a Deasert Eagle, you will see that the predator is larger in comparison. And Desert Eagles are huge.
Take a look at that Predator picture again and put you hand up to the handle as if you were gripping the image like a gun. You will see what I mean (hopefully) |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:19 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
don't think so. i would be very surprised if they had a SIN. i suppose it's possible that some might be, but keep in mind there are also ghouls that are basically not much different from animals, and those ghouls kinda have to eat human flesh... so i don't think those ghouls, at the very least, will be citizens. and probably not the vast majority of ghouls in general, most of whom were probably SINless before they became ghouls... [edit] and maybe i'm missing something... but... i don't see anywhere that indicates the picture is at a 1:1 scale. [/edit] This post has been edited by Jaid: Oct 14 2005, 04:20 PM |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 14-October 05 Member No.: 7,844 |
Anything smaller than the image I posted could not be held in one hand. I have very feminine hands and I have troubles with considering that a good size to grip with my hand. So the gun might even be a little bit bigger.
And as far as ghouls go, it does not say that they are not citizens. Ghouls are merely humans and metahumans infected with the HMHVV. Special Order 162 was passed in Illinois Legislature providing protection to ghouls and enforcing the inability to pass them off as mere monsters. Ghouls are people too, dagnabbit! :S But boy! Is that gun big! |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 775 Joined: 31-March 05 From: florida Member No.: 7,273 |
ok i want someone to take into context the scale here of that picture...look at the size of the handgrip vs barrel length and you have something akin to the .45's from the movie "Punisher" you know the ones his old man was showing him just before the drek hit the fan. in fact i would say that those .45's were the same size as this if not slightly longer.
and i'm still wanting my salvette guardians back along with my AS-7 |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 14-October 05 Member No.: 7,844 |
Colt 1911 is .45 ACP as I had mentioned above. Saying that is a small weapon is an understatement.
Edit: Also, the size of the weapons in The Punisher movie were larger for "dramatic effect". What kind of comic hero weilds a hold out pistol? |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:52 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
I don't see that either, and that seems to be the assumption Akimbo is making. It's hard to tell if that is true or not as you can't see the barrel bore (and even then you'd have to make assumptions about caliber size). |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 123 Joined: 7-October 05 From: Glow City Safehouse Member No.: 7,821 |
My reactions to the picture, in proper order:
"Oh, that's no bigger than my magnum..." "Hmm.... wait a sec, that handle seems a bit on the smallish side...." "Maybe I just have my resolution running a bit high for the size comparison." "Save. Open. Zoom. Zoom again. Zoom again." "There we go, now the handle is about.... OH SWEET JESUS! What did they do, saw down a rifle?!" Needless to say, yeah, someone needs to start doing some minor reality checking with the artist on these types of details. |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 14-October 05 Member No.: 7,844 |
It clearly says 10mm caseless on the gun. The caliber is not in question here.... well.... not yet anyway :P Edit: And Rifleman, I'm sure your magnum doesn't have that huge chunk of nothing under the barrel. And I can understand the size of a magnum being in .44 and .357. |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:56 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Well given that even at a particular file resolution, the actual size on screen will vary with screen size and resolution settings, without something to give the picture scale it's kinda pointless. Maybe the finger grip spacing can be used to figure out a scale? |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:57 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Ah, good point there. So now we just need to find a picture of someone pointing it towards the viewer and we are set. :) |
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Oct 14 2005, 04:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 123 Joined: 7-October 05 From: Glow City Safehouse Member No.: 7,821 |
Basing it on the handle and the trigger guard spacing would be the best, since those maintain a (reasonably) steady size from gun to gun. And a scale would be nice.
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Oct 14 2005, 04:59 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
And hope it's not one of those... erm... sketchy... pictures with odd proportions. |
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Oct 14 2005, 05:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
Meh. The image is about what, 11 or 12 inches long? With a standard 6 inch barrel, a Desert Eagle Mark VII or Mark XIX comes in at 10 3/4 inches in overall length. So we're not talking that much of a difference. The mass of the frame mainly comes for the underbarrel electronics of the smartgun system IMO. The problem, of course, is that a design like this would be a bitch to balance, given the placement of the grip and trigger group. (Disclaimer - I'm just an amatuer firearms enthusiast though, so I bow to anyone with more knowledge of the subject.) |
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Oct 14 2005, 05:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 14-October 05 Member No.: 7,844 |
Actually it's fairly well detailed. The image was vectorized so detail was obviously a major factor here. I remember trying to fire a S&W Model 500 .50 cal... I had to hold the gun with two hands because of the mere size of it. (Even though it would be dumb for me to try that with one hand because of the caliber) |
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Oct 14 2005, 05:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 123 Joined: 7-October 05 From: Glow City Safehouse Member No.: 7,821 |
Just so everyone knows, this pictures comes from the pdf version of the SR4 book, page 307. Zoom in, it looks scrunched at full resolution but I'll be amazed if it isn't all there.
However, looking at it scrunched up in to the wording and how it fits neatly within three lines, I think this argument may be for naught. I believe based on my examination of the picture in it's environment it was 'squeezed' during the editing to fit in it's assigned space. |
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Oct 14 2005, 05:10 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
The reference was to a picture using it in a different angle, though... like the one of the gear chapter. ;) |
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Oct 14 2005, 05:10 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Where is the vector file version of it? EDIT: Oh, i see. It's vector in the PDF. That doesn't mean a huge amount, it just means it was drawn in electronic format. *shrug*
P.S. It's not like it is anime (edit: linked a smaller, static file) proprotioned "handgun". :cyber: |
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Oct 14 2005, 05:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 123 Joined: 7-October 05 From: Glow City Safehouse Member No.: 7,821 |
It is the one in the gear chaper. |
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