 is a shadows of africa book do-able?!, THIS IS JUST AN OPEN QUESTION |
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 Oct 21 2005, 10:51 PM
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Immoral Elf  Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486  |
I thought Azania was a little more to the south ... like in and around the Zulu lands.
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Oct 21 2005, 11:19 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. The Zulu elves in what used to be Kenya.
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Oct 21 2005, 11:48 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
I'm not an expert on Africa, but I do know the the Zulu, Xhosa and other tribes settled in what is today South Africa, and that South Africa is what the Azanian Confederation grew ut of, I doubt that Azania can claim territory as far away as Kenya.
Map (to illustrate distance) SixthWorldWikiMap (not sure of the complete accuracy of this map, but fits my own mental picture for comparison) |
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Oct 22 2005, 02:05 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Well several of the books have mentioned the Kenyan government in passing so I figure there's a functioning government that's under corporate control- how much control it exerts out in the bush away from key areas is an open question. The Addis Ababa bit of SotA 2064 calls it- the city- the only stable area in the Horn of Africa so Somalia is still the hell-hole it is now with Eritrea and Djibouti sliding down to that level as well. With the eastern and northern borders adjoining not so much countries as anarchies the further towards them you get and away from Nairobi I'm guessing less governmental control. Or at least less civil and more military control. On the is it a part of Azania question, I wouldn't have thought so. I certainly don't remember any of the books ever mentioning it. Having a country with two areas split 1500 miles apart makes about as much sense as the NAN. Still, even if it did say that it's only a novel and easily hand waved away. :) |
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Oct 22 2005, 05:45 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Canon! Canon! They'll all say!
Eh. It may have been Mozambique. I really can't remember. |
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Oct 22 2005, 04:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 9-October 05 Member No.: 7,827 |
Ok this is the home stretch Bos-Al
First of all to clear up the slight confusion about Kenya; Azainia in the Parenthesis is just to show that besides Kenya-(after it's reconstruction) Aziania is probably the best place For a Corp NATIVE to Africa to be formed-Their is No way that Aziania and Kenya are the same county; Kenya it self is listed in the Sixth world Wiki so I guess that means it is about SEMI-offical As for Tanzania That is another County that would probably be reconstructed, except I'd expect Zanzibar to go it's own Way and become one of the Top Corp Havens in Africa (Heck maybe a Native African Mega-Corp could be based there) The Kinddom of Zambia: I saw it writen somewhere that Zambia would go back to a monarchy after the awakening; I think that is a good idea except it would most likely be a constitional monarchy like the UK, especially since that the UK was once Zambia's colonizer (Federated) Central African Repuplic: Propably another basket case-This is a situation like the ©DRC-brake up followed by reconstruction becuase the various ethnicities would regroup for their own mutual survival; If this happens then I'd expect Bangui the capital to become one of the smuggling havens of the continet (like Kinshasha and Cabinda) Camaroon League: Yes another basket grouping of an existing county-if anyone disagrees I don't mind-Camaroon has probably got ALOT OF AWAKENED ACTIVITY, ALL though the camaroon highlands their are most likely various territories run by verious Metas (Trolls, Orks, Elves, Dwarves,- and even OTHERS) This would also be a good lace for a Dragon Lair Rawanda-Burundi Co-operatives: Things have probably deteriorated to the point in these two counties where the only form of government would be village to village Co-Operatives Ugandan Micro states: Alittle better then Rawanda-Burundi, but not much so; possibly trying for reinergration/reconstruction after the second crash however Nigerian Territories: This is just a convenient label, A Yourba state has probably formed with it's capital in Lagos; Lagos being split between the Mega Corps, Sin-less, and HMHVV infected (you don't want to be in GHOUL TOWN After dark! :eek: ) The Niger Delta is Another state possibly using the the old "Biafra" name & in the North an Islanic Sultanate has been formed |
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Oct 22 2005, 11:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 9-October 05 Member No.: 7,827 |
AND STILL MORE
Ghana: Ok Asamando is In the north part of what used to be Ghana near the border of what was Burkina Faso, The majority of The rest Ghanian Territory is Taken up by Asante and Sekondi with unorganized Territory between the Three of them-As it stands with what happened to Ghana I don't see that there should be any big changes accept if Asante and Sekondi and the unorganized Territories were to try to reunite after the Second Crash (The Ghouls are just fine on their own, thank you) Benin: Also gone in the Sixth World Wiki, has probably got some sembalence of order on the local level however; The new name could be The Benin Chiefdoms Togo: This small sliver of a country was once a german colony; Now S-K is supposed to be one of the two leading Megas in Africa (The other one is the Azzies) This to me says "Make Togo a Corp backed puppet state" Corporate Equatorial Guinea: Now we are getting into the Corp States, Equatorial Guinea Has one of the most corrupt governments in the real world time line and they have probably been compleatly co-oped by the Mega-Corps in the Sixth World; The common people have got to be getting agitated however Incorperated Sao Tome and Principe: This country is like D |
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Oct 23 2005, 12:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 9-October 05 Member No.: 7,827 |
AND STILL MORE
Ghana: Ok Asamando is In the north part of what used to be Ghana near the border of what was Burkina Faso, The majority of The rest Ghanian Territory is Taken up by Asante and Sekondi with unorganized Territory between the Three of them-As it stands with what happened to Ghana I don't see that there should be any big changes accept if Asante and Sekondi and the unorganized Territories were to try to reunite after the Second Crash (The Ghouls are just fine on their own, thank you) Benin: Also gone in the Sixth World Wiki, has probably got some sembalence of order on the local level however; The new name could be The Benin Chiefdoms Togo: This small sliver of a country was once a german colony; Now S-K is supposed to be one of the two leading Megas in Africa (The other one is the Azzies) This to me says "Make Togo a Corp backed puppet state" Corporate Equatorial Guinea: Now we are getting into the Corp States, Equatorial Guinea Has one of the most corrupt governments in the real world time line and they have probably been compleatly co-oped by the Mega-Corps in the Sixth World; The common people have got to be getting agitated however Incorperated Sao Tome and Principe: This country is like Day To Corp-Equ-Guinea's night; Probably got good consesions from the Megas for them to come there; Also a good place for an Underwater Arcology between the two islands-Can you say Sao Tome & Principe Underwater City? West African Ecconomic Confrence: This is another conbined country that is made up of Liberia/Sierra Leone/Guinea/Guinea-Bissau- As the continent was rebuilt These 4 states probably got together to get their share of Mega-Corp money and probably even got decent terms from them-The Guinea Highlands(In GUINEA) are probably a Awakened Zone with an Elven Majority however (Zulu can't have all the African Elves) Djibouti: Another Corp-State with the Corps on top, probably the top port in the horn of Africa and another Smuggling Haven Somalia: Bad, but not as bad as some others(when I get to sudan you'll see there is worse) Kept week and tribal by the Megas- with Mogadishu basicly being the JAPANESE-Megas African Playgroud; After the second crah though the clans of Somalia have united and are marching from the new Capitol of Johowr To Mogadishu to kick them out-Who's side will the large HACKER/TECHNOMANCER community take? Federation of the Sahel: The Black African parts of Mauritania, Mali,Niger, & all of Burkina Faso,Senagal & Gambia-Probably a very Loose state Al-Magreb: The arabic parts of Mauritania,Mali, Niger,; Also a very loose state Both of these countries could be said to be an African version of Turkistan form Shadows of Asia Chad: Well the southern Black African part is probably around in some capacity, (at worst only as a name on a map) As for The Northern Part-Well thats the BEST PLACE for a second Great Form Sirrah :spin: Western Sahara Disputed Zone: Still claimed by Morocco, but that is probably meaningless with the mana storms and all Morocco: Basicly covered by Shadows of Europe- The king is has got to be back now Algeria(n) (Theocracy) Also covered by shadows of Europe-It might not be a Theocracy, at least not by the 2070's; it's absorbtion of Libya makes sense too (Because Libya Got Nuked!) Egypt: About the same as it says in the Sixth world Wiki, with Egypt absorbing the arab part of the Sudan As for the rest of the sudan IT'S GONE- the name is't even used anymore- The Southern part of the Sudan would then be called DARFUR, I don't know how strong a Country Darfur would be but it would be a County nontheless Thats it for the main land-The Macarene islands shouldn't be too hard along with a partial reworking of Madagascar If anyone likes these ideas say so if anyone does not then say so too; Bye for now :cyber: :cyber: :cyber: :cyber: |
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Oct 23 2005, 09:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 9-October 05 Member No.: 7,827 |
Sorry left out the Ivory Coast
The Ivory Coast: Well In Cyberpirates The Buale State covered much of what was the Southern Ivory Coast-It's probably Not Changed too much-As for the Northern Ivory Coast It could be called (Rebel Held-Real World) The Rebellious Territories |
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Oct 24 2005, 02:58 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 9-October 05 Member No.: 7,827 |
Mascarene Islands and Madagasgar
Seychelles-(Awakened Vacation Zone Incorporated): The place were tourism goes magical; The Awakened Islands Magic is harnessed for your tropical dreams; Just keep things calm though-becuase this place is really like the village form the old British show the Prisoner-For the guest's safety of course Reunion: Not too different-Just don't let the Dodo Bird trap you in a pocket dimension Mauritius: Same thing goes for any formally thought extinct birds on this island (Since both islands speak french they may both be the same nation by the 2070's) Cormoros: Just now reunited under a reformist Islamic Republic(Not impossible) Mayotte: Independant by now with a more european style gov then the Cormoros (ALL INDIAN OCEAN island wil be favored staging areas for undersea arcologies) Magagascar: Ok now I've got a question-IF VITAS KILLED ALL THE LEAMURS OFF THEN WHY DIDN'T IT KILL ALL THE HIGHER APES IN THE WORLD (CHIMPS, GORILLAS, ORANGATANGS, SASQUACHES?) OFF ALONG WITH THE HUMANS-and if someone says local mutation then if it happened on one preatty big island why didn't it repeat it's self idependantly all over the world? I just want my Giant awakened Leamur shaman thats all :talker: :talker: Maldives: Yes really asia and it might of been covered all ready-if so I think it said in Shadows of Asia it used magic not to sink from global warming-then again may be not? :lick: :lick: :lick: Thats it I'm finally done!!!! :rotfl: :D :grinbig: |
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Oct 25 2005, 11:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
You're probably thinking of the Oceania section, which pretty much covers the same situation in the Pacific - global warming and rising sea levels. See the bits about Micronesia, especially Autonomour Realm of Kiribati to get an idea of what might have happened there. Just didn't have the word count to cover the Indian Ocean islands. Nice to see some serious thinking about the Lost Continent though. BTW, about the Kenya & Zulus thing - to my knowledge Zulus are definately local to South Africa whereas the Masai are the predominant tribe in Kenya. The main thing I like about Africa as a continent though is the natural geography and its wilderness locations. If you check out the canon, that's were the most holes seem to be: Madagascar and the Ivory Coast are covered in Cyberpirates; South Africa is given the overview in one of the novels; the Sahara and Namibian deserts are covered in Target: Wastelands, not to mention various references to North Africa and Egypt in many other areas. Oh yes, and then there's the "space elevator" launch site being developed by the megas around Mt Kilamjiro. Still, it would be nice to have a complete Shadows of... series of sourcebooks. (As would it be likewise for a Paranormal Animals of...) |
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Oct 25 2005, 10:30 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
You're forgetting the strange goings on in the Congo as well. |
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Oct 25 2005, 11:00 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Oh, you mean the killer white gorillas?
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Oct 25 2005, 11:34 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
I can neither confirm or deny that statement. Mainly because they'd eat me if I did... Oh, crap.
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Oct 26 2005, 09:12 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
If going the tribal ways, Benin could as well reassume its historical name, as Dahomey. "Benin" was adopted as a name after the Bight of Benin, only in 1975 when Marxist militaryies overthrew the government. I guess Marxist weren't too fond of the Dahomey name simply because it originally was a kingdom of Dahomey there (the Marxist policy was since abandonned in the 1980s, and President Mathieu Kérékou even accepted to step down after losing the 1991 election, a rarity in Africa, though he returned to power by winning the 1996 election).
Togoland was a German colony for 34 years, between 1884 and 1918. Then it was split between the Brits and the French. British Togoland merged with Ghana in 1956, and French Togoland became the independant République Togolaise in 1960, after 42 years of French mandate. Togo's official language is French, its currency is CFA Franc (the currency of 14 African countries, controlled by the French Treasure, a splendid remnant of colonialism if you ask me). Main trade partners outside of Africa are China, India and France, and those inside of Africa being all French or English speaking countries, for the same reason that Togo is. Now, if you ask me, the "nationality" of megacorps has often been overplayed. By their very nature, megacorps are supposed to transcend their origin. Saeder-Krupp is not "just German" ; its first President/CEO, who expanded the company's operations in Africa and the Middle East, was French, as is S-K main rep on the Corporate Court. This is not completely genuine, when you know how French politics and French-African diplomacy uses to work through networks. Also, France would be an important pole for S-K business in armament, aerospace, telecom, environment and energy sectors (especially the nuclear sector, where the German industry and research simply does not have the expertise to take the lead on its own). Togo could still be a puppet of Saeder-Krupp, but saying that it's because it had been a German colony at some point makes as much sense as having, says, amerindian states in North America with population in the millions ;)
Sixth World Wiki is based upon the work of Wordman. Parts of his projections for Africa, Asia and South America have been since contradicted in canon by newly published books. For Sudan, there are explicit references to Sudan in Dragons of the Sixth World (pp.56-57) and Shadows of Europe (p.27), for those I can remember. Lybia is covered in Target:Wastelands, saying that it's Egypt that made a (formal) claim over it, with megacorps still doing pretty much what they want. |
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Oct 26 2005, 10:23 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
Well, all of Africa basically speaks either French, English or Arab. That's clearly not enough to make countries go together. Mauritius is a former british colony, independent since 1968, with English as the official language, while French and Creole are in facts more widely spoken and used by the population. Reunion remains to this day a French overseas region. The history of wether or not it became indenpendent in SR as yet to be written. Unlike New Caledonia and French Polynesia in the Pacific, there are no serious independentists movements in Reunion, nor in French Guiana, Martinique and Guadeloupe (well, not much more than in Hawai, now I think about it). If anything, local politicians use the idea of independence to frighten the population, who heavily benefits from state welfare (the military presence also gives a certain economic boost). If they lose that, then, joining Mauritius, which is twice or three times richer than Reunion, could make sense. |
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