 Modding the Sakura Fubuki, Potential cheese inside |
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 Oct 30 2005, 06:02 AM
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Great Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222  |
If not making any sense is not a problem for you, then yes you could. |
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Oct 30 2005, 06:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Ann Arbor, MI Member No.: 7,803 |
I'd say you'd just need a modified Speed Loader, is all.
Actually, you could probably have specialty ones made that'd allow a full reload as a complex action - that doesn't seem terribly bad to me, rules/balance-wise. |
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Oct 30 2005, 07:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 251 Joined: 29-April 02 Member No.: 2,659 |
Which is why I suggested barrel replacement instead. |
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Oct 30 2005, 07:19 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
And that was a very good suggestion, indeed the only reasonable way of solving the issue. I just wanted to make it clear that the other option is really, really stupid. |
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Oct 30 2005, 07:20 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 2-October 05 Member No.: 7,799 |
You could feasibly purchase a suppressor designed specifically for this particular firearm. All a suppressor does is provide additional volume for the gas to expand before the bullet leaves the barrel. A suppressor shaped like a rectangle would be perfectly feasible.
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Oct 30 2005, 07:33 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
How far apart, exactly, are the barrels? In the RL examples I've seen (like this one), they touch one another. At that point, the additional space you'd get from going rectangular would give you an insignificant amount of space for gas expansion. Having a special kind of suppressor planted on all barrels at once, like Eyeless Blond suggested earlier, is somewhat more reasonable.
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Oct 30 2005, 02:44 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
hmmm... interesting... coulda swore it said reload 1 round of ammunition when i looked at it... but oh well, i'm too lazy to check now =P i still think i'll just never use it (and therefore never have to worry about it) =D |
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Oct 30 2005, 05:00 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
The ammo is 10(ml)x4, which means four, 10-round "Muzzle-Loader" muzzle loading tubes. Note that the only other weapon in the BBB denoted this way is the Aztec Striker "disposable" launcher. Also it takes 1 Complex action to load the entire "tube", as opposed to a magazine load in which you can load only rounds equal to your Agility. So it reads to me like are either replacing a quick screw barrel (but it makes no mention of having to eject), or inserting a factory packed string of 10 rounds. Sort of like a tampon. :twirl: EDIT: Oh, and there really aren't many "details" at all. So, you know, as a GM you get to handwave and rule as you see fit. They have to eject a barrel first? Sure. *shrug* EDIT2: Or the weapon is programed to eject/release whatever barrel/barrel lining tube the ammo comes in as part of the action of firing the last round in the stack of 10. After all it inherently has to know which round it is firing. |
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Oct 30 2005, 05:54 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
So, in fact, the rules don't present the gun like some people said they did. Whew. Either of your suggestions for reloading the gun are far more reasonable than loading it with standard caseless ammo one by one. |
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Oct 30 2005, 11:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 199 Joined: 11-September 05 Member No.: 7,729 |
*nod* The picture of the gun itself shows what appears to be a self-contained barrel assembly along with a little diagram that strongly indicates you just slot the whole thing home. Though probably no more "complex" than loading a standard clip, the extra time probably reflects the fact that 1) you have to point the weapon away from combat to reload it and 2) the system probably needs a second or so to handshake with the control system in the new magazine. Either that, or the complex action also encompasses the act of removing the spent tube (just as reloading a revolver doesn't require an extra action to break it open so you can access the cylinder).
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Oct 31 2005, 01:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Ann Arbor, MI Member No.: 7,803 |
Thank God. |
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Oct 31 2005, 06:22 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 2-October 05 Member No.: 7,799 |
The thing that irks me is that reloading a cylinder with a speed loader is actually pretty much as fast as loading a magazine into a semi-automatic. There's a video from the history channel showing a guy firing six rounds, reloading, and firing again in the space of a second or so. With a speed loader (or a moon clip, where the rounds are actually clipped together), it should be a simple action. |
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Oct 31 2005, 06:37 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Since it takes a Simple Action to eject a pistol mag without a smartlink and another Simple Action to insert a new one, one Complex Action for using a speedloader is in fact exactly as fast. Reloading a revolver just doesn't faster with a smartlink.
Or does ejecting a box magazine in SR4 no longer take a Simple Action or whatever? |
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Oct 31 2005, 06:56 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 2-October 05 Member No.: 7,799 |
I didn't read anywhere that ejecting a magazine takes a simple action. Given that on my 1911 all you do is push a button to drop the mag, I have trouble seeing how it could even take enough effort to be a free action. |
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Oct 31 2005, 07:01 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Oh, it definitely makes no sense for simply dropping a detachable mag out of a conventionally designed firearm to be more than a free action. But it was a Simple Action in SR3 ("Remove Clip", sr3.107). |
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Oct 31 2005, 07:41 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 2-October 05 Member No.: 7,799 |
Maybe they meant remove the magazine and store it somewhere?
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Oct 31 2005, 08:18 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
That, on the other hand, should take a lot longer than one Simple Action. A Simple Action plus a Complex Action would be closer, comparing to how long other actions take in SR3.
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Oct 31 2005, 08:21 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
i always beleived that "remove a clip" was more than just pushing the eject button while keeping your arm in the firing posistion; it ment de-cocking your arm, ejecting and stowing (in a pocket or something). although it seems rather silly to my dumb mind that you can't do a complete swap in a single simple action, but thats me.
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Oct 31 2005, 08:23 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Then there's the fact that having a smartlink reduces that to a Free Action. I don't see how having a smartlink would allow you to grab the magazine or stuff it into a pocket faster.
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Oct 31 2005, 08:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
whining about a simple action of ejecting a clip? remember a simple was pulling a trigger too...
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Oct 31 2005, 11:05 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
No, a simple is taking an attack action. This involves traking the target as well as pulling the trigger. I'd rule it's a free action just to pull the trigger, but you'd have no say over where the bullet actually GOES.
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Nov 1 2005, 04:31 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 3-June 05 Member No.: 7,425 |
The Fubuki was another gun design that i drew up and the brief i got (along with logic) pointed to barrels that come preloaded with rounds and the tech to link up with the gun, as the barrel becomes the key factor in deciding how many rounds are to be fired at once | much like blakkie's "tampon" reference but instead of stopping blood the Fubuki starts the bleeding | the gun would then eject the entire barrel and you could drop another one in (same with if the most forward round failed-to-fire or the link was burned). Also the gun was all smartlinked up so you could choose what barrel fired what (and with four different round types you could be well prepared for any occurance). ...oh, and don't let a Hacker hack this gun while its sticking in your front waistband. |
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Nov 1 2005, 04:37 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I would like to sincerely thank you for upholding logic in SR4. |
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Nov 1 2005, 04:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 251 Joined: 29-April 02 Member No.: 2,659 |
A problem of course is that it doesn't come with a Smartlink as standard. Though I expect most users will fit one.
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Nov 1 2005, 03:35 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
hmmm... how would the whole barrel-swapping thing effect forensics? i mean, obviously, you can change the barrel itself pretty easily, so i'm guessing that the rifling marks on the rounds can't really be used as evidence very well...
mind you, i don't think the star worries too much about evidence... |
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