Non-SR authors writing Shadowrun, Who'd you like to see? |
Non-SR authors writing Shadowrun, Who'd you like to see? |
Nov 5 2005, 06:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 296 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Usually under a cat Member No.: 864 |
The 'new SR novel' thread has gotten me to thinking about Shadowrun stories written by other authors, and also about who it might be cool to see trying their hand at an SR novel (or a short story, even). What do folks think? Who's out there whose style would lend itself to writing in our little world?
Me personally, I'd love to see an SR story by Chuck ("Fight Club") Palahniuk. :) |
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Nov 5 2005, 06:28 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
Matthew Reilly. If you've ever read any of his books, I think you'd agree.
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Nov 5 2005, 07:05 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
None of them. The last time someone who was a fan of the settting but, in the status of being an established author of other settings, yet a newbie at writing for that setting sunk his mitts into a setting, the Star Wars fans got landed with the Yuuzahn Vong.
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Nov 5 2005, 09:00 AM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
David Brin. David Brin is one of the finest authors of cyberpunk currently extant... which is a real shame, cuz he's only written two stories that are really cyberpunk. But MAN, when he does it, does he do it good.
See: The Stones of Significance (hypertech/Diamond Age cyberpunk - and punk in the sense of 'questioning the establishment' rather than 'fighting the man') and Piecework (biotech worker story. amazing stuff). |
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Nov 5 2005, 09:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: 22-September 05 Member No.: 7,770 |
Neal Stephenson.
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Nov 5 2005, 10:08 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
What, we're gonna get something worse than Kenson? C'mon. I don't see how letting a real author in on the action (not that anyone is likely to) could hurt. |
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Nov 5 2005, 11:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 523 Joined: 13-March 05 Member No.: 7,155 |
Seconded How about Mike Stackpole? I know he wrote "Wolf and Raven", but that was way back in the day, before the game rules had been fully worked out actually. I would love to see what he could do with the established universe, especially if they jumped the timeline into 4th Edition. And, I own just about every Stackpole Battletech novel, and Brohopcp could lend me the entire X-Wing series. |
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Nov 5 2005, 01:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: 22-September 05 Member No.: 7,770 |
I like Stackpole. His cloak and dagger mission planning is nice in the x-wing series. He also pulls off the character ego required for a career runner. If he wrote an SR series, I'd read it. The only question, would it be gritty enough?
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Nov 5 2005, 01:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 523 Joined: 13-March 05 Member No.: 7,155 |
The stories in "Wolf and Raven" were told in the first person perspective and had a good mean streets of Seattle feel to them, although his characters were inherently good people inspired by their boss to do things for the good of others. That particular style gets carried through in Shapcano's "Lost Boys" stories. Actually, Stackpole's bad guys might not be bad enough for SR. Now I am only familiar with his Star Wars and Battletech works, but his villains seem to come off as grandiose bad-guy characatures, which fit those universes very well, but may not work for the Shadows. I have been reading through the Wraith Squadron books again and have been thinking about how those characters are basically Shadowrunners who can fly X-Wings. Aaron Allston's stories have a dark side that Stackpole's don't. He might be a good one to have on board. Basically, these guys came to mind because they have experience writing compelling stories in an existing universe without violating the feel established by the universe's creator(s). |
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Nov 5 2005, 02:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 248 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Note Calonna Member No.: 241 |
Steven Brust
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Nov 5 2005, 02:55 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
i think id like to see what david farland can do with seattle. I have to say, i just finished, his third book, i think it was in the Runelords series... and i have to say, it was the first time in a long time i can remembering actually being blind sided by something that i totally didnt see coming.
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Nov 5 2005, 08:31 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
Richard Morgan (Altered Carbon and +). Very relevant to the post-Cyberpunk genre, and his work just rocks from an SR fan perspective (btw thanks to whoever mentionned Altered Carbons in one of the cyberpunk books threads... it's great!!)
Also, China Miéville (Perdido Street Station) for his unparalleled understanding of urbanism and its' descriptions. |
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Nov 5 2005, 08:46 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
George R. R. Martin, his political intrigues would be great. And being able to write from different character viewpoints, even characters you hate in the beginning.
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Nov 5 2005, 08:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 177 Joined: 21-October 05 From: In a Starbucks™ café near you Member No.: 7,870 |
This topic reminds me that I have still not yet read Fight Club. :(
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Nov 5 2005, 11:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: 29-March 03 From: Tir Tarngiere Member No.: 4,353 |
Ryk Spoor (Digital Knight)
John Ringo (Legacy of the Aldenata series, Empire of Man series - with David Weber). Kohta Hirano (Hellsing). |
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Nov 6 2005, 12:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 7-February 03 Member No.: 4,025 |
John Steakley; read Armor?
Connie Willis Robert J. Sawyer Paul McAuley Hell, Stephen King would be interesting, or even Ann Rice maybe. But most of all, me. |
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Nov 6 2005, 12:39 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
It'd make a great TPB written by any of the usual suspects, but as a novel Gaiman would be my first pick because it wouldn't, you know, suck. But really anyone who doesn't turn it into fetish porn for SR players by going into minutiae about tech or magic or random useless crap (like Stephenson, which drives me fucking nuts. I don't care about the details of someone's stockings fetish or how to eat Captain Crunch) while forgoing actual story (at least most SR novels have going for them in possessing decent pacing) while not writing Gibsonesque crap.
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Nov 6 2005, 03:50 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
I'm with SL James on this, Neil Gaiman could write an SR novel that deosn't suck. |
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Nov 6 2005, 07:36 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 87 Joined: 12-January 05 From: Brazil, RN, Natal (Also known as Amazonia) Member No.: 6,968 |
Sometimes I dream of Alan Moore writing the Secrets of Power saga in a way it wouldn´t suck. Well, it´s not so bad, it got my wife hooked on SR, but come on...
Or, like someone posted, David Brin - I love his first Uplift novels, and I think he would be a nice addition to the SR literary universe. |
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Nov 6 2005, 09:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 124 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,812 |
Provided someone was there to slap Matthew Reilly when he started to get too exited, and to take the sugar, speed and red cordial away from him, he would write a decent novel. Pacing is a classic problem with game books and he does it well. Not so sure about the ending on his latest book, however.
Personally, I think that a classic example of what not to do in a Shadowrun novel is anything written by Lisa Smedman (I think that's how it's spelt). No other author I've ever read can manage to make an entire novel so boring it simply cannot be read in one go, while still making every character flat, pointless and annoying to the point of wanting to burn the book. Please for the love of God someone make her go back from whence she came. I think Anne Rice would write just as bad a book as Ms Smedman, to be honest. I disliked all Anne Rice's books as being an internal monologue from a whingeing git. It is absolutely vital in order to achieve an entertaining, readable book for the reader to either identify with or care about the main character. Anne Rice is the author of one of the only two books I have ever literally thrown out the window in frustration (the other was Lisa Smedman). I would like to see someone who writes a quality thriller have a go, as opposed to your standard cyberpunk authors. Perhaps John Sandford (the author of the Kidd series) who knows how to write a crime thriller well, or Michael Connelly (the author of the Harry Bosch crime series) who knows how to write a fast-paced thriller that keeps you drawn in. To be honest, so much of the present SR fiction writing is so absolutely terrible that I wonder if a drunk strategically-shaven monkey with a typewriter wouldn't do better. |
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Nov 6 2005, 10:01 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Then I dare you to try and read anything by Vince Flynn, or worse, Patrick Robinson.
See above, except I hadn't even left the bookstore.
While I agree with you about most of the novels (I like Dowd, am indifferent to Findley, and think Koke gets criticized for things beyond his creative control), be careful what you wish for. The overreliance on Kenson, as if in some futile attempt to turn him into another Nigel Findley, killed my interest in the novels that even Smedman couldn't. |
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Nov 6 2005, 11:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 177 Joined: 21-October 05 From: In a Starbucks™ café near you Member No.: 7,870 |
Echo Sandford. The man needs to write more books. |
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Nov 6 2005, 11:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 143 Joined: 28-August 05 Member No.: 7,631 |
Gaiman is pretty bad ass. I wouldn't mind reading something set in the SR world by him. Ditto for Moore.
Neal Stephenson writes some damn good cyberpunk, in my opinion. I wouldn't mind seeing him write an SR novel, but I find his endings to sometimes be... a little abrupt. Also, since he's already got his own cyberpunk world that's similar to, yet different from, Shadowrun.... well, I can see how it could be problematic. I haven't read "Wolf and Raven" but I enjoyed Michael Stackpole's X-Wing novels, so I wouldn't mind him coming back to SR. Aaron Allston was bad-ass on the X-Wing novels, so I'd love to see him try his hand. His Wraith Squadron was sneaky, underhanded and manipulative, and even had a character nicknamed "Face" who would disguise himself and talk his way past people, who was partnered with a guy who had to keep replacing parts of himself with cybernetics. That's totally Shadowrun. Plus, I'm just disappointed in general that there was never a tenth X-Wing novel and that the franchise decided to focus on the New Jedi Order and prequel crap instead. :( And, just to add a new name to the mix: Brian K. Vaughan. Guy's my favorite comic book writer, hands down. He can do mature, serious and gritty stories while still interjecting some humor (Y: The Last Man, Ex Machina), he's willing to plant plot seeds and then slowly and sneakily develop them over long periods of time, he's got at having plot twists that make sense but still catch people off guard, and he's good at playing with pop culture. He's at his best when he's working with his own original characters (i.e. a team of Shadowrunners), but is also good at integrating new characters into existing settings (Runaways). And he totally knows how to work with a team dynamic, both in terms of dialogue and in everyone doing their part in a fight. So yeah, BKV doing an SR comic would pretty much make my day. :cyber: |
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Nov 7 2005, 04:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 3-November 05 From: KCMO Member No.: 7,922 |
Anybody heard of Jim Butcher? How do you think he's do as an SR author?
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Nov 7 2005, 05:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 124 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,812 |
SLJames - I've read all the Vince Flynn books. In my defence, I blatantly gut them for plot ideas then store the books somewhere convenient, like propping up my wobbly piano or mulching my garden. I haven't yet had the pleasure of Patrick Robinson.
I've thought of someone else who would be good - Steven Coonts, although I wouldn't have thought so until 'Wages of Sin' (the book I blame most of all for a rash of thief character ideas that is still going to this day). I note that Mr Coonts' attempt at near future writing will be conveniently blamed on the other idiot writing it - hopefully any SR attempt by him (wishful thinking as it may be) would involve more thought and less idiocy. Wolf and Raven is a book that belongs in the dim, dark past of SR1 and should be hastily forgotten about, like an idiot relative who nobody wants to acknowledge exists and gets stored in the cellar. In terms of Shadowrun books, I think Nyx Smith writes very atmospheric novels which really saved my interest in SR during SR2. They're eminently re-readable also, which I think is high praise. I also liked Nigel Findlay's work a bit and would be happy to see more by Dowd. I like to think of Jack Koke as having written the one novel everyone has inside them and done well (Preying for Keeps), however he unfortunately tried a second time and found he only really had one novel inside him. Headhunters was both incomprehensible and exacerbating, which doesn't even make sense. And I thoroughly agree that Steven Kenson writes a mean sourcebook (look at Awakenings, for God's sake) and a horrible, pathetic novel. I've never laughed out loud at a book (note not WITH a book, AT a book) as much as his attempts at Shadowrun fiction. Talon is the worst example of a favourite character who can do no wrong in Shadowrun (because I firmly believe Ryan Mercury was and remains a bad acid trip, not the product of logical thought). |
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