Gymnastics dodge out of melee, Free attack? Options

[Aza]

[Azralon]

You can move only on your action and you're apparently spending that action with a Gymnastics-supplemented Full Defense Dodge, yes?

So the opponent gets only his "free" attack against you as you move away. I don't see where the enemy is getting a free attack and a separate initial attack.

[Slacker]

Movement is a non-action done on your turn. It is not something that happens in at any time you want.
Notice in the example give for Full Defense as an Interrupt Action (don't remember the page off the top of my head) that while the defender goes on Full Defense when it is not his Initiative, he doesn't actually move to cover until his Initiative comes around.

I don't see gymnastics dodge as actually moving away from the attacker, only as moving out of the way of the attack through acrobatic maneuvers while staying in the same general spot.

However, if the defender does move away from the attacker or another opponent that is within 1m on his Initiative, that opponent can use a Free Action to try to hit him.

[hyzmarca]

You move on your turn and the attacker gets to make an attack on your turn.

[Aza]

What i meant was when the opponent is attacking me. He makes an attack against me, using the interrupt rules

[Azralon]

Don't forget that the Free Action everyone gets per Initiative Pass can be used at any point, like an interrupt action. So if you move away from a dude on your turn, the other guy has to burn a Free Action (either from his last turn or, I guess, from his next turn?)

If you're familiar with D&D 3.x, you'll notice the similiarity to their "attacks of opportunity" here.

[blakkie]

Leaving the threatened square provokes an AoO. Er, well something like that. The melee opponent would normally get to attack on the defender's action when the defender moved. The initial attack would have been protected by that special use of Full Defense that you can select when it's not your turn.

As for the question, the Gymnastic "move" requires that you spend an action doing the flips, etc. But you no longer have the action to spend since it was already dedicated to Full Defense. You can still move only because normal movement does not require an action.

EDIT: You move pretty fast for a Slacker. :P Or maybe i move really slow? The thread really exploded under me.

[Azralon]

Oh, okay, this is happening on your opponent's turn.

So your opponent is using a Complex to attempt to whack you, and you try to dodge it while moving away. Since you're moving away now, then yeah, I'd say if the other guy hasn't used up his Free Action yet then he gets another shot at you.

You're still Full Defense, though, so you're more likely to not get smacked on your way out.

EDIT: Using Gymnastics takes a Complex too? There's a kink, then.

[Aza]

So are you saying it would end up:

Opponent attack, me full defense
opponent free attack, me full defense

or

opponent attack, me full defense
opponent free attack, me normal melee defense

I suppose the advantage is if he gets a free attack, he uses his free action, and therefore cannot use movement as a free action to catch up to me as i move away.

[blakkie]

[Aza]

[Azralon]

I don't see anything in the quoted text saying that you're actually moving out of your current position.

[Aza]

Well its pretty hard to roll or cartwheel on the spot isnt it? :D

[PBTHHHHT]

Very hard. If one can do it in one spot, please get a video recording of it, I want to see it. :eek:

With rolling, I can get a good bit of distance away from my original spot. Cartwheel, likewise, but I feel so exposed while cartwheeling. I've seen my cousin (she did gymnastics growing up) do aerials (no hands cartwheels), very impressive to watch.

[Slacker]

[Azralon]

[Aza]

Yep i've been seeing plenty of examples where rules are either vague or ambiguous and until errata are released GM's are just going to have to interpret with their groups and come up with the most fair and realistic approach to these "grey areas" it seems.