 are spells astral forms on the astral plane?, or just auras... |
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 Nov 17 2005, 10:13 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Paris, France Member No.: 6,074  |
hi I just want to know if spells on the astral plane are astral forms or just auras. It's not written in the SR4 rulebook (they just make a list of what have astral forms and don't put spells in it but with a very unprecise "so on")
i think that they haven't because otherwise we can simply fight it in astral combat and they are no such rules in SR but instead specific rules (counterspelling) PS i hope to have canon answers please so put references if you answer |
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Nov 17 2005, 10:17 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
Astral forms are what passes for physical objects on the Astral Plane. So no, unless the spell specifically states it creates an astral form (like Astral Barrier), it doesn't, just like it doesn't create a physical object on the Material Plane unless the spell says so.
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Nov 17 2005, 10:32 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
The sidebars on p.166 and p.167 are very descripive of what happens when a spell is cast, and from the way the process is described, spells can not be intercepted.
This was also how it was handled in 3rd edition. First and second editions did allow for spell intereception, so this is a change from the earlier material, but in general, I believe the changes made to how magic works in the transition from 2nd to 3rd were for the best. Sure, there may have been some cool things that have been lost, such as spell interception, and grounding a spell from the astral into the physical, but the fact that we no longer have arguments about FAB-nets suspended in mid-air over an astral being standing on a FAB filled Floor, or the feasabiltiy of a cyberware implant that rips a chunk of living flesh from your arm and flings it at high velocity as use as a weapon against astral targets more than makes up for it. |
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Nov 17 2005, 03:25 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
Awesome. Put me down for a pair. |
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Nov 20 2005, 09:42 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Paris, France Member No.: 6,074 |
i've emailed Rob about that question and here's his answer
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Nov 20 2005, 11:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
bleh that was such a fun thing about active foci! Astral magician see's a man running around with a active foci, bam chaos gets channelled from the astral through the foci into the real world. |
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Nov 21 2005, 01:04 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
the sr2 grounding rules gave me a migrane the first 5-10 times i read it. basicly just to damned complicated...
sure it could be fun, and kept some people from overloading on foci (or even using them at all) but i dont think it was ever worth the complex laws of metaphysics... |
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Nov 21 2005, 01:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
sometimes it's fun having things complex, just read up and know your stuff = )
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Nov 21 2005, 01:17 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
its only fun if its complex and detailed so that there are no loopholes left around to exploit. the sr2 rules had so few details that you could drive a carrier thru some of the loopholes...
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Nov 21 2005, 05:53 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
True dat, Hobgoblin.
"I quicken a Control Actions on a gnat, then go astral and pilot it over to the assassination target. Then I ground <favorite area spell> through the active spell and go home." |
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Nov 21 2005, 05:59 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I knew the 'stuff' backwards and forwards, and I didn't find Grounding fun at all ... as a player or as a GM. |
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