 A question on vehicles, and weapons and more... |
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 Nov 17 2005, 06:03 PM
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Running, running, running  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769  |
So i'm working on the Garage, and coding the weapon mounts, and i'm trying to determine what it takes to be able to install a weapon mount on a bike. the only thing i have is this
[quote Rigger 3]motorcycles with medium or larger sidecars and sufficient body can accommodate 1 hardpoint. The hardpoint can only take a foreward firing fixed weapon mount and must be in the sidecar.[/quote] Now, i can read this a couple of ways. First, in order to have a weapon mount, you need to have a sidecar, of medium size or larger, and can then have a single, fixed weapon mount, on/in the sidecar (which, ofcourse, goes againist the book saying that any single fixed weapon needs to be installed centerline but OH WELL!) or, it can be read as, in order to have a hardpoint, you need to have a side car, however, pintle and fixed firmpoints can be installed without a sidecar. so, which would you all think it is? |
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Nov 17 2005, 07:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 27-October 05 From: Waterloo, ON Member No.: 7,900 |
Your second theory is corret. A bike can still mount a pintle or forward mount.
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Nov 17 2005, 07:42 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
do we have some sort of quote for this? ya know, the problem with making a program is it has to be "right" not just "common sense says..."
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Nov 17 2005, 07:45 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Firmpoints can be installed without the sidecar. I believe it mentions, if you look at the part on installing weapons in the BBB, that motorcycles can take weapons if they're forward facing. You CANNOT have swivel-mounted guns on a bike (or at least you can't fire them while moving without falling down). But having say an SMG mounted between the front fork somehow would be alright.
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Nov 17 2005, 11:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 27-October 05 From: Waterloo, ON Member No.: 7,900 |
I kind of like the idea of a pintle mount on the back of the bike. Good reason to have one of those rear-facing cyberarms.
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Nov 18 2005, 12:40 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
or just a passenger facing backwards...
hmm, i recall a image of a camel with a pintle mounted lmg... |
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Nov 18 2005, 12:46 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Metal Slug X, a wonderful game. |
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Nov 18 2005, 03:50 AM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
I like to adapt motorcycles to drones, remove the passenger area to gain more space and weight, and load a micro turret and firmpoint on there. to these I attach an Ares alpha, and a LAW. then I put a mine deployer on the rear (or caltrops).
do this to 3 of these. excellent cover on the roadways. |
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Nov 18 2005, 04:12 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Can you mount minirocket launchers on the back with DNI wire or radio guides? So you can guide the missiles in with your eyes?
You know, like the bike from the original Command & Conquer. :P |
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Nov 18 2005, 04:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 586 Joined: 22-November 02 From: Gordonsville, Virginia, U.S.A. (or C.A.S.) Member No.: 3,630 |
hobgoblin: Actually, that idea has been around for nearly 200 years (if you factor in the time difference between SHADOWRUN and the present). In the 1870s or so, Dr. Richard Jordan Gatling--the inventor of the Gatling gun--marketed a saddle-mounted gun for the Arab nations who purchased his weapons. The gun was placed on the pommel of the saddle--a/k/a the "saddle horn"--and pivoted through roughly a 90-degree arc. Needless to say, the rider/gunner would have to be careful if he didn't want to kill his mount. The version I saw was intended for camels, but I suppose the basic principle could be applied to other saddle-bred animals--although horses, donkeys, and such would most likely go stark raving mad the moment the weapon was put into use. --Foreigner |
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Nov 18 2005, 04:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 586 Joined: 22-November 02 From: Gordonsville, Virginia, U.S.A. (or C.A.S.) Member No.: 3,630 |
ShadowDragon8685:
I don't recall if Sentry Guns (think the Director's Cut of ALIENS) are canonical (I've only seen them on the Web), but what about adapting a scaled-down model (about SMG-sized) to fit the rear of a motorcycle? With the large cargo carriers some of the big cruiser/touring bikes have, you could easily hide a small weapon--either an SMG or a minirocket/minigrenade launcher, for example--in a disguised turret. That is, the cargo container itself would be the turret--the rear panel could either be jettisoned with explosive bolts, or perhaps a portion of it would retract somehow in order to expose the weapon. The traversing mechanism would either be under the turret (on the fender), or inside it, attached to the weapon itself. Rig up a remote camera and sighting system linked to a heads-up display in your helmet, and there you go. :) --Foreigner |
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Nov 18 2005, 06:35 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
ok, heres another question, coming from rigger three, what do i need to make a vehicle into a drone, i dont see anything that is giving a pilot rating?
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Nov 18 2005, 06:58 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
R3.130, the Remote-Control Interface. You will also need at least rating 1 sensors. Also listed in SR3.305-6. |
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Nov 18 2005, 07:09 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
well, thanks... i was looking through the electronics system, where all the stuff the NEEDS the RCI is... who woulda thunk it...
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Nov 18 2005, 10:02 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
ok, i have yet another thing thats confusing me, and that is with autosofts. The cost is listed as pilot*50 DP. However, in my program, this currently opens up the folowing loophole, where someone can purchase the remote interface, the autosoft, and then the pilot rating, and then sell the autosoft and the new pilot rating (greatly saving DP, or atleast a few hundred).
The best work around i have so far, is to link the autosoft upgrade with the pilot, so that once the autosoft is turned on, any future changes to the pilot also affect the autosoft. |
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Nov 19 2005, 06:39 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
That's the way to do it. There should be a warning (not a pop-up, but some warning text) and the autosoft should either be updated or nuked.
~J |
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Nov 19 2005, 02:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 7-February 03 Member No.: 4,025 |
Foreigner:
Fields of Fire, p. 46. It's 2ed stuff. I still use it sometimes. |
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Nov 19 2005, 03:39 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
well, the way i'm attempting to do it, is that autosoft=pilot, as i cant find any supporting text that would make me think that it's possible to have it any different, so, once you have the autosoft enabled, any chances to the pilot will also change the autosoft.
actually implementing said buttons are proving difficult for some reason though. |
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Nov 19 2005, 10:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 175 Joined: 15-July 04 From: Imperial Japan Member No.: 6,483 |
They remade the sentry gun in Rigger 3. Revised page 175 ... But it is on a trailer ...
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Nov 20 2005, 01:28 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
Because "trailer" was the only chassis that'd allow for a drone that doesn't move under its own power. I don't think you're required to treat it like a trailer, it was just the author shoehorning it into the closest fit category rather than try to invent something new just to support one piece of gear. SR4's version, the Smart Firing Platform, is another, more straightforward remake of FoF's Sentry Gun. |
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