 Best way to snag a drone., Buying is for suckers. |
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 Nov 24 2005, 06:53 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 27-October 05 From: Waterloo, ON Member No.: 7,900  |
What's a good way to capture a drone from the opposition, assuming the shadowrunning team is bored and willing to spend the doss for a lot of equipment, and are just stealing as many drones as they can for a scavenger hunt?
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Nov 24 2005, 07:12 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Buy the equipment that lets you subvert control of a drone.
Then drive around Seattle stealing the Lone Star Strato-9s. |
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Nov 24 2005, 07:37 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
SR3 right? Rigger 3 has the answers though it'll take you some time to decipher it. To start with you need an RC deck and some electronic warfare addons / skills. You can go with the brute force method of screwing up his channels (if he has any sort of real encryption go this way), or you can try slide right into his network and subvert it from him (cleanest if he isn't running encryption).
Alternately a radio jammer that you can fry an egg on to break the other rigger's connection and then some way to physically grab the drone can work too (spirits are nice for trying to snag flying drones). This method kinda depends on what the drone was last commanded to do if the connection to thier rigger was lost. Another way is to walk up to the rigger and use the 10mm hijack method. However riggers with lots of toys and any shread of sense are tough cats to deal with and usually don't leave themselves open to easy direct attack. EDIT: Is a condition of the scavenger hunt that the drone be in working order? Because you could just conjure up a few spirit to accident the drone into the dirt, then go scrape up the little bits into a baggie. :) |
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Nov 24 2005, 08:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 470 Joined: 2-January 05 From: Quebec Member No.: 6,924 |
There's always the junk yard, it should be possible to scrounge up enough parts to rebuild one.
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Nov 24 2005, 10:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 26-July 03 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 5,029 |
The shaman in my campaign used a combination of Force Wall, Animate and Analyze Device to quickly capture and control an enemy's drone. It required good timing, quick wits and sustaining a couple of spells simultaneously, but he did it; and now that he knows how, it'll be easier next time.
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Nov 24 2005, 10:51 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Along those lines there is Levitate. You cast that on a non-living objects in SR3, right? If not i think there was one of the telekensis spells that worked. Once you overcome the OR most land and water vehicles wouldn't be getting away, you'd just need to deal with any weapons. |
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Nov 24 2005, 11:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 27-October 05 From: Waterloo, ON Member No.: 7,900 |
Our team botched their last run, so we're trying to collect as many drones as possible just for something to do and also to replenish what we've lost. Since the opposition is playing it close to the chest how long we've got, we figured that stealing drones is the best way to rebuild an army. We have a tech wiz, but building a drone is way more time than just reprogramming one.
So far, we managed to get one by jamming it to hell, but it just started to fight with its automated systems because our rigger couldn't master it. So that failed. Our second attempt had us raid a lonestar drone that we had codes for. The rigger alerted a mage who sent an elemental. The drone was *very* helpful, but did not survive the assault. |
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Nov 25 2005, 12:31 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Just buy it. Any drone worth stealing will be encrypted, and then they aren't worth stealing anymore.
~J |
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Nov 25 2005, 01:51 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 504 Joined: 8-November 05 From: North Vancouver, BC Member No.: 7,936 |
Steal from manufacterer, jsut raid the transport truck taking a load of drones to the Star or any other corp/sec. Or shoot them down/ fry them, and then repair them.
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Nov 25 2005, 03:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 27-October 05 From: Waterloo, ON Member No.: 7,900 |
Why is an encrypted drone not worth it?
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Nov 25 2005, 03:45 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Take a look at the encryption rules. To crack a base-level rating 3 encryption system requires a pair of 6s and a fifteen-minute time investment, noting that you roll your decryption system's rating and only get to add Electronics (Electronic Warfare) as a complementary skill. Once you move up to Rating 5, we're talking three 9s and twenty-five minutes. To expect that, you need a rating 10 decryption module and an Electronic Warfare skill somewhere in the thirties at least (I'm too turkey-filled to do the math right now), or a giant helping of karma pool. Noting that that's a ¥75,000 piece of gear to let you even start trying (¥225,000 on the street), you're better off just buying the drone. If the drone's more valuable it's probably going to have better encryption, and encryption goes all the way up to Rating 10 (need five 14s on no more than ten dice plus complementary, as above, to do it in 50 minutes). ~J |
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Nov 25 2005, 05:40 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
the easiest way to get someone's drones is to steal their control deck. my otaku character ended up with five LS-9s that way (yanked out the transponders while the Star rigger was otherwise occupied), plus a free RCD. seriously, if you gank the RCD, there is nothing the rigger can do to stop you.
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Nov 25 2005, 05:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 124 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,812 |
Use the rules in SOTA2064 re radio signal location, to figure out the rigger's physical location. Have a high quickness/fast car to get there quickly. Get at him, take his RC deck. If he's in a secure car, break the security. If he's in a secure building, get in and get at the RC deck. The measures and skill requirements and equipment costs to get through physical security (maglocks, shock systems etc) are several orders of magnitude easier than trying to hack broadcast encryption. Simply put, it's too difficult to contemplate stealing any drone that is worth stealing. Steal Saab Dynamits instead and sell them, then buy the drone off the street or pay for a fake security license and buy them legitimately through that.
[Edit - spellin'] |
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Nov 25 2005, 07:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 504 Joined: 8-November 05 From: North Vancouver, BC Member No.: 7,936 |
Or just get a good B/R skill if your using SR3, and go and trash a few random drones (don't have to be that good even) and use spare parts, guns etc to make customized ones how you want them
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Nov 25 2005, 08:35 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Yum, free Stress Points.
~J |
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Nov 25 2005, 10:28 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
Its worth noting that loan star dose not encrypt there drones as standard. Reference, take a look at the stats for all the lone star variant drones, they don’t have encryption. If you steal from them often expect that to change.
As to the investment against an encrypted system I didn’t think you needed to roll twice encryption rating, or need 2 net successes. Even if you do the investment is only 15min. in a day you could try to infiltrate 20 networks. If you have a hot Decker in the party then the easiest way to get drones is to have him hack a warehouse database and fake (or alter) a delivery order, orange average at worst, have them delivered to a place you can control temporarily but wont trace back. If you have the time and don’t want to take a risk drive into the middle of a AAA rated naberhood in a truck painted “AAA drone repair and service” and have the household service drones drive themselves into the back of your van, one or 2 then move round the block, do so at a time when everybody is at work so an alarm doesn’t get raised. Edward |
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Nov 25 2005, 11:30 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
You're correct, you don't. You need to roll a 4+encryption rating, and you need (encryption rating)/2 rounded up successes. ~J |
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Nov 26 2005, 05:42 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
ouch. ill hav to look that one up again. can you give me a page reverance. Edward |
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Nov 26 2005, 06:57 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Rigger 3, page 36:
(Emphasis added for a part that I'd forgotten that makes it even worse) Now, SR3 page 289:
~J |
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Nov 26 2005, 01:57 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Sounds like it would be easier to sneak up on and shoot the offending rigger through the head, then just take his VCR.
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Nov 26 2005, 04:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 470 Joined: 2-January 05 From: Quebec Member No.: 6,924 |
Don't shoot the head, that's where the VCR is. In fact, save the bullet and just cut his throat.
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Nov 26 2005, 06:24 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Clearly you need to reread the Sensor rules. ~J |
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Nov 26 2005, 06:53 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Use a mage with invisibility, then. I know invis works on all of the light forms, and if he's using radar at ground level, you're clearly dealing with a madman.
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Nov 26 2005, 11:43 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
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Nov 27 2005, 05:11 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
what you need to do is, sneak your mini-blimp sniper drone up and use that to shoot him in the head. sig 13 and a ruthenium coating? awww yeah.
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