movement rates, what happened? Options

[6thDragon]

Has anyone else noticed the movement rates are now much faster. In SR3, an average person (quickness of 3) could run 9 meters in 3 seconds without much effort (not adding athletics to increase their rate), now every human, elf, and ork, runs at 25 meters in 3 seconds. My group was playing the other week, for the first time. We were at a part where the group broke into combat at close range. Now my group uses miniatures to identify where each character and NPC is during the encounter. We were all left scratching our heads and had to say, "Ok if you're running pretty much just place your character anywhere you want." This is especially true if you only have one or two actions. You start to slow down a bit if you have three or four, but not by that much. In SR3 even a character with maxed out natural quickness at 6 would still be moving slower than average character in SR4. Has anyone encountered this or am I missing something here? Otherwise, I feel a houserule coming on.

[PlatonicPimp]

And what is up with troll movement rates? in SR2, they moved slower than normal, at the same speed of dwarves. In SR3, they moved at the same rate as a human, and now in SR4, they not only have a higher movement than everyone lese, but their higher strength means that they'll also have more dice on a running check to increase that!

[Rotbart van Dain...]

Evolution though natural selection - brough to you by HPC? :rotfl:

[Azralon]

I used to consider it a properly-balanced blessing that most folks could at least (have a chance to) run away from a melee-dominating troll. Far from the case now.

[jervinator]

Personally, while I though slow trolls were good from a game-balance standpont, they weren't that realistic. I mean, they got longer legs and similar strength/weight ratios, so logically they would be as fast as humans, if not moreso. I mean, NBA players aren't slower than normal-height people. If bigger = slower, then how do horses run so fast?

[blakkie]

[Valatar]

Trolls are pushing nine feet tall, their speed only makes sense given their huge stride distance compared to a human. A good human runner should be able to outpace an average troll, but all else being equal the longer legs will win, especially since the longer legs are paired with great strength. Trolls are less nimble than the smaller metas, but raw land speed doesn't require precision so much as power and endurance, and trolls have those in spades.

That aside, yes, I did notice that everyone in SR4 seems to have a prodigious movement speed. Seems a bit excessive for three-second rounds.

[Critias]

That's why you shoot them in the knee then start running.

[caramel frappucc...]

Or just shoot them in the face and not waste the effort.

[Liper]

aye for a race that got a reach advantage in combat, for them to run the same speed as a human made no sense.

[Dranem]

Note, that the land speed for Metas are for an unencumbered person... I don't know many people who do a Run in just jogging shorts.
While I can pull off a 25m dash in one round on a good day, add a backpack, kevlar/armored clothes and some other gear, and that should slow you down a bit.

Another note: While the trolls don't move any slower, try taking the sudden angled turn to chase someone when you've got longer legs at full sprint... you'll find out quickly how the bigger guy will often overshoot his target on a charge if the target suddenly darts out of reach.

[hobgoblin]

the speeds given are for cover to cover sprints right?
not for over land endurance runs?

[Critias]

[Valentinew]

[Magus]

But what is the average speed of an unladden AFRICAN swallow?

[starman77]

has any one noticed that any human can do a 8-minute mile w/o breaking a sweat?

ie: 10m / 3 sec = 200m minute = 1,600m in 8 minutes = 5,249.6 ft/8min.

even a person with a 1 body and can do it for hours on end.

[Lilt]

[mfb]

bah. all that work i put into a movement mechanism that gave (more) realistic movement rates, for nothing. i thought some had said they'd taken that idea. guess not.

[blakkie]

An 8 minute miles isn't that big a thing for someone in some sort of respectable shape, if they aren't carrying a lot of gear. The lack of differentiation between Body and the lack of lack of granularity in carrying load rules are the only real issue there. SR simply doesn't have extended distance rules because it is relatively rare to be doing overland marches.

[mfb]

yeah. doing an 8-minute mile is more a matter of endurance than the raw ability to move at a certain speed. just about anybody can move at a mile-per-8-minutes rate; the question is whether or not they can maintain that rate for the full 8 minutes.

[Critias]

*looks around the internet forum full of role playing gamers*

*listens to crickets chirp*

[blakkie]

[FrankTrollman]

The sprinting speed of characters in Shadowrun - 30 kilometers per hour - is also no big deal. That's a 12 second hudred meter dash, and nowhere near olympian. When people start having a running skill however, things get a little crazy. It only takes a strength and running of 4 to beat a 9 second 100 meter dash if you spend Edge every turn. And that's a world record.

Although even then, I don't really care. Characters being able to slightly beat a world record beats the old system where I could personally hike faster than many characters could sprint.

-Frank

[PlatonicPimp]

In older editions, Trolls had shorter legs than an approprately scale adjusted human. That accounted for their lower movement speeds.

It's not the ruling that amuses me as much as the Consistent CHANGE. Trolls ahve gone from being turtles to being race horses without so much as a sideways glance.

[snowRaven]

Actually, trolls had a movement multiplier of x3 in SR3, and x2 in SR1 and SR2. So apparently their increasing movement rate is part of the general awakening . the higher the level of mana rises, the faster a troll can run. Just wait til the mana levels peak... :grinbig: