(lesser) Gun-fu a la John Woo Options

[dv8srunner]

So RAW say if you use a "smart gun" in either hand laser sights and smartgun links aren't effective.

What do ya'll think about allowing the use of smartguns and links if both guns are smartguns and you have 2 smartlinks? I could see a requirement that both guns have to be fired at the same target (unless you have independantly focusable eyes)...

[mfb]

this question came up a lot in SR3. the answer was always the same: YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT NO YOU SHOULDN'T IT'S REALISTIC YOU'RE STUPID I'LL KILL YOUR BEAR WHAT ABOUT ALLY SPIRITS THE AMMO WEIGHTS ARE WRONG SOMEONE GET RAYGUN IN HERE I TRIED SHOOTING WITH TWO GUNS IN VIRTUA COP AND IT WORKS GREAT OH GOD LET IT END

[hobgoblin]

mfb, there are some big guys in white clothes here to see you...

[Slacker]

Yes indeed. mfb is correct about this type of discussion. It always ends poorly.

I have been in games where it's been allowed with double smartlinks. I've been in games where arguements have cropped up because the GM won't allow it, and I have been in games where it just never came up. The most enjoyable of those was the last.

In SR3, it just seemed too overpowered for the cost.

In SR4, it might not be so bad because dual-weilding is so ridiculously stupid now that you have to split your dicepool between the two guns, but I still wouldn't allow it.

[ElFenrir]

I wouldn't allow double smartlinks unless you paid for massive surgery to split your brain in two. It would get waaay confusing.

Double laser sights, however, i'd allow. I don't see too much of a problem with them.

[Azralon]

I don't see much difference in targeting with two lasers or two HUD reticles.

[Antimuppet]

With the rise of augmented reality, I see no reason to not allow multiple smartguns. Heck, each gun could be 'painting' the entirety of it's target on your AR. One green target, one purple target (or whatver colors you like) and you can bangity-bang away freely.

[Adarael]

I tend to allow it, mostly due to the other really advanced tech you're allowed to have. It strikes me as kinda ass-backwards that someone can have a select sound filter 6 and listen to six different conversations at once (in SR4) or hear specifically what you're listening for at +6 dice (SR3) yet you can't effectively use two hud reticles.

Generally in SR3, I made people pay for 2 induction links, an image link, one smartlink processor, and dedicated routing between all of the parts. In SR4, I just make people pay for 2 smartlinks.

[dv8srunner]

:eek: Oops, I didn't mean to touch the third rail here..

tfta chummers...

[Syd]

I like the compromise in SR4, without the smartlink bonus...if you're wading through a bunch of redshirts, half your dice on each gun would be fine. If you're fighting somebody at all competant, there's no way you'd dual-wield--just like real life.

The John Woo thing is fairly do-able for an adept with improved ability: pistols. If you blow 2 or 2.5 power points on pistols, you can throw 9-10 dice for each gun (assuming agility 5 pistols 5). A sammie with 5/5 and a smartlink throws 12 dice on one, so it's in the ballpark. That's fine in my book, cause the adept is blowing 2 or 2.5 power points (not cheap).

[Makar]

I think that if you want to do two-wepon gunslinging the best way would be to use a pair of automatic weapons and have a gyromount in each cyberarm. That way, the burst bonuses would help make up for the dice pool splitting.

[SpasticTeapot]

I would just require the PC to get skillwires of at least rating 2. They'd be use in conjunction with the smartlinks to keep both guns pointed at the same target.
Alternately, could'nt the smartlink bonus be split between the two weapons?

[Liper]

in sr3 you only required a second smartlink processor subsystem.

[Feshy]

[Nkari]

[Fuchs]

The "2 smartlinks don't work, 2 laser sights do" rule never made sense to me - so, I can handle two red dots on the target if they come from laser pointers, but not if they are just overlaid on my view by a computer? Even if both react the same to me moving my pistols?

[mfb]

since when do two laser sights work? in SR3, at least, the only targeting bonus you could get while wielding two weapons is tracer rounds (and i have a feeling that's only because the authors forgot about them, the way most players and GMs do). when wielding two guns, neither lasers nor links grant bonii.

[Azralon]

[mfb]

maybe tracers are more streamlined?

[blakkie]

[mfb]

yeah, you have to be firing a burst. in SR3, at any rate.

[Syd]

[Teulisch]

so that means you can get pistols 7, 3.5 magic worth of more dice, a reflex recorder, and some muscle toner, a level of synaptic accelerator, and have 1.5 magic left for other things.

assuming an elf, agility 7(9), pistols 7+2spcl+1RR+7magic+2SL= 28 dice?
true you have to cripple him at other things to do it, but it looks like it can work.

if that works, then adepts can be even more insanely dangerous. definietly an edge over the sam who caps at 22 dice.

[Azralon]

Elf with Agility:8. Don't forget Exceptional Attribute.

You can just fit Exceptional Attribute, Aptitude, and Adept in at 35 points of Positive Qualities out of chargen.

[Syd]

True. If you were building an adept that was hellbent on being really good at one thing (pistols, SMG, stealth, cha skills), there's little to stop you. It'd be the only thing you could do though.