 How much is a Mp?, Been looking fruitlessly for this answer |
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 Nov 29 2005, 07:08 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 175 Joined: 15-July 04 From: Imperial Japan Member No.: 6,483  |
been skimming through BBB to find that answer, but cant recall where it's located. Help would be appreciated :)
Somewhere it states that a MegaPulse, is equal to a certain amount of minutes of Video or pictures ... |
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Nov 29 2005, 07:10 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
i dont think it ever gave a current gen number, as compared to a GB for example,it "just is" a megalpulse.
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Nov 29 2005, 07:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
I thought that would be gear section depending on the type of computer purchased.
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Nov 29 2005, 07:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
yeah in the old street samurai guide i think it said 1 minute of video was equal to 1mp
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Nov 29 2005, 07:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 175 Joined: 15-July 04 From: Imperial Japan Member No.: 6,483 |
Thanks a bundle :)
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Nov 29 2005, 07:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 27-October 05 From: Waterloo, ON Member No.: 7,900 |
Now that's ultra high definition SUPER video.
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Nov 29 2005, 07:55 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
If you begin to think about googleflops you may be close. ;)
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Nov 29 2005, 08:05 PM
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The back-up plan Group: Retired Admins Posts: 8,423 Joined: 15-January 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,910 |
Pixel--Look under the descriptions for Cyberears and eyes. SR3 p. 299-300
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Nov 29 2005, 08:32 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
One minute of audio is one MP. One minute of video is one MP. One minute of both is 2MP (shock). Baseline simsense is 1MP/second, full-X is 3/second. If I remember correctly, 60 pictures is one MP.
Note that it is indeed super-high-definition—it can be blown up to about 20*Sensor Rating (which goes as high as 10, mind you) size without degredation. (Simsense values come from page 301, SR3, other stuff from page 135, same book. Still looking for the pictures reference, I may have imagined that.). ~J |
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Nov 29 2005, 08:35 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
the silly bit is the audio size i think...
now if one makes 2-3 min of audio take the same space as one min of video it starts to make sense. but that makes a mess of calculating the size a video with sound will take, or maybe not? |
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Nov 29 2005, 08:37 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Not this discussion again.
Audio can easily take the same amount of space as video. I'll agree that it may be a bit odd that drones are equipped with super-sensitive listening devices, but there's a host of interesting things that can be done with that. ~J |
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Nov 29 2005, 08:46 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
actually, 1 mp/minute of AV isn't really that out of touch. Currently, 1 minute of uncompressed AV takes ~10MB, and that is not HD grade video.
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Nov 29 2005, 08:47 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
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Nov 29 2005, 08:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 257 Joined: 25-May 05 Member No.: 7,414 |
Not to mention the simplicity factor. I already have enough reasons to bring a calculator to the game... |
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Nov 29 2005, 09:21 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
ok ok, ignore that post of mine. im just being a bit bored :P
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Nov 29 2005, 09:31 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
*Double-take* Ten megs? Try closer to 200 megs/minute for compressed DV footage. ~J |
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Nov 29 2005, 09:51 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
I for one am glad they didn't try to quantify an Mp in todays's terms. With how ballistic today's technology curve is it would have become old hat.
Back in mid 80s, FGU attempted to quantify their basic data processing unit for Space Opera starship computers in the terms of the (sic.) present day. The sad thing was, about a year later, the Commodore 64 with a tape drive was powerful enough to run a capital class battlecruiser. Mind you. this was the day when a Macintosh 1 MB Winchester hard disk was as big as a VHS VCR and mainframe rooms contained rows of Digital "Maytags" - 10 MB hard drive units that used a 10 disk magazine - so named because each was as big as a washing machine. ...ahhhh. nothing like the blood curdling scream of a programmer who had just dropped his his 1000 line programme all over the floor. I sometimes miss those days. |
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Nov 29 2005, 10:33 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
actually, i did mean to say compressed, but if you're getting 200 MB compressed, well, you're not doing much compressing. but my rule of thumb should've been about 100 megs uncompressed
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Nov 29 2005, 10:35 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Entirely accurate that it isn't much compressing—that format's primarily meant to maximize ease of editing, not space saving—but the fact remains that there's still compression going on there.
~J |
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Nov 29 2005, 10:37 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
What do floating point opperations have to do with storage space? Anyway, it seems quite obvious that a megapulse is somewhere around oen million pulses. It would 1,048,576 pulses, assuming that they still use an 8-bit octet system. However, that is unlikely. It is unlikely that SR computers are even digital. Since light is available in a wide spectrum of frequences it wouldn't be a stretch to create an optical processor that resognizes multiple frequencies of light rather than just the on/off states. The extra states would allow one to compress information more easily and make the processors that much faster. It is similar in principal to theoretical quantum conputers which utilize the quantum state of the electron rather than just the on/off state. |
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Nov 29 2005, 10:40 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
well, technically, as soon as you plug something in through firewire, you're giving it a 5:1 compression, which is the way "normal" people would be doing it most of the time.
i'm generally talking post edit though, for compression. |
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Nov 29 2005, 10:42 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Which is not the right thing to talk about when you're considering a source that can be blown up to between 20x and 200x its original size with no fidelity loss.
~J |
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Nov 30 2005, 04:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 560 Joined: 21-December 04 Member No.: 6,893 |
How would plugging something in through FireWire give it a 5:1 compression ratio? My IEEE-1394 external hard drive has a copy of SR3 (I bought a paperback, thank you very much) which is about 68 megs. It does'nt suddenly turn into fourteen megs when I copy it to a CD.
I would rate a "pulse" to be a term equal to a packet of data. Considering that the packetized data being sent to your computer over your internet connection is a shade over 2 KB, a packet is not a bad size to choose. 1 million packets (pulses) would equal a bit under two gigabytes. |
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Nov 30 2005, 05:45 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Which means that the 20 :nuyen: per MP price is simply fucking outrageous, since we can get a 1:1 ratio on gigabytes and dollars nowadays?
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Nov 30 2005, 06:21 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
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