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 Headware Memory go *poof*?, the frag happened? |
 Dec 5 2005, 07:55 PM
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Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98  |
I think they were talking about storage memory (think hard drive space). Active memory (think RAM) is different stuff, and IIRC that's what headware memory was supposed to be.
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Dec 5 2005, 08:13 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
headware mem could be used as both if you where using a cranial cyberdeck...
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Dec 5 2005, 08:27 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Then why is there a separate active memory for C^2 decks listed in Matrix which has 10% of the essence cost of storage memory and cost 1/3 more?
(Mp / 1,000 Essence, 200¥ per Mp, page 168) That's why I hated M&M. It's like they only wanted to allow cyberlimb decks, because you couldn't make a Renraku Kraftwerk unless you had it and the memory (and this is using the above value for RAM) installed as Deltaware and couldn't get any more cyber. |
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Dec 5 2005, 08:54 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
There's nothing with modern computers that specifically keeps you from storing data in RAM long-term, like you would on a hard drive... it's just that you usually have less RAM and want to use it for a bunch of different things (like running programs), so there's no reason to keep something you could store on the drive and aren't planning on needing to access quickly loaded into RAM. So, using Active memory as Storage memory is certainly feasible... it'll just make CS majors raise their eyebrows. |
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Dec 5 2005, 09:59 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
err, oops, missread. disregard this one...
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Dec 5 2005, 10:01 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
if only i was part of the M&M dev team, then i would answer that one :silly: |
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Dec 6 2005, 12:23 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
And that when you lose power to the ram, the data in it goes poof.
Because just like computers these days we have RAM(active memory) and we have not sure the name, but the stuff on our HDs, which isn't the same but storage to cost wise the HD is alot more but doesn't do the same thing for our processing needs as ram does. |
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Dec 6 2005, 12:56 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Actually, my question was leaning more towards, "why bother" re: the headware mem from SR3 when you can use the memory in Matrix. It's at least less painful when it screws you.
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Dec 7 2005, 04:55 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
The concept behind my archetype was that sometime the Matrix isn't all that secure, especially when you need to transfer the specs for a prototype gizmo from an off-site R&D to the main offices. Containing it in an off-line storage is one thing, but it's easy to lose a disc/chip with the info, especially in airport lost luggage, or just simple forgetfulness. By downloading it into headware memory storage, it's still on you, but you're not carrying a loose-able item. Also, if you get stuck up by some gangers shadow-hired by the competition's Johnson, you lose a dummy disc or chip, not your life.
Yes, it's being a glorified mailman or delivery boy/girl, but it pays. |
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Dec 7 2005, 07:33 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
And all you need to do it is the Data Lock Cyberware, and a Data Jack.
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Dec 7 2005, 07:52 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
Isn't there mention somewhere about how any common object can now be used to house data? I remember something about clothing used as a datastore. Here's one mention, but I don't think it's the one I'm recalling:
Another mention:
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Dec 7 2005, 07:58 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
There are mentions of this sort of thing periodically throughout the book.
On a tangent wouldn't be annoying for your clothes to remind you they hadn't been washed in a while? |
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Dec 7 2005, 08:02 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
It does open up some entertaining job possibilities.
Johnson: "The current girlfriend of a mafia don was looking to sell some information to me, but she has unfortunately gotten herself disappeared before the drop-off. Reportedly she was keeping the data in an encrypted file housed in her undergarments. The clothing is, presumably, still in the mob safehouse." Runner: "So.... we're going on a panty raid?" |
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Dec 7 2005, 08:05 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
That Rocks |
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Dec 7 2005, 08:36 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
LAMBDA LAMBDA LAMBDA!
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Dec 7 2005, 09:41 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
And I was wondering what to put my runners through next. HAH!
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Dec 7 2005, 09:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 753 Joined: 31-October 03 Member No.: 5,780 |
*laughs* panty raid? Oh my....hehehe, I have ot use something like that, for sure...although I might stick with a cyber sock for now, and work up to panties.
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Dec 7 2005, 09:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 4-September 05 From: Metaplane GEPLK136 (The one with the lizards. You remember the lizards, don't you?) Member No.: 7,684 |
A stroke of genius there, I love it! |
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Dec 8 2005, 03:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
worse yet, johnson gives you tracker for the rfid tag in it...
The don is wearing the panties. |
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Dec 9 2005, 02:01 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Panty raid, LOL! |
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Dec 9 2005, 02:03 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
I agree, now that there's SR4, but SR3 didn't (or at least I don't recall). |
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Dec 9 2005, 04:56 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
i would hate having to remember what jacket i put the latest pirated songs on :P
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Dec 21 2005, 07:03 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
True, but sometimes a prototype is included with the data. A contract courier would need to not just ferry data, but small to medium-sized prototypes (small enough to fit into a ballistically-protected briefcase or messenger's bag) at least covertly. Travel between nations, both continentally & abroad, becomes a necessity, and sometimes the 'legitimate' jobs are far & too between, so some shadowrunning keeps the bills paid & his edge sharp. Working both sides of the street can be dangerous, but it can be worth it. As far as the Data Lock cyberware from SR3, I don't recall it, but I would add an Encryption Rating to the files for game purposes. Also, a Memory Compressor (ala the RAM Doubler Johnny uses before the meeting in the movie) helps with the BIG files. |
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Jan 6 2006, 12:23 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
Okay let's look at the biggest hard drives you can get. I think they are terabytes now.
That is 1,099,511,627,776 bites. Okay in 10 years we went from hard drives around 3gig to 1024 gigs..... So let's say in 2070 they have only gone one step further and have hard drives that are only 1024 bigger than ours. So one patabyte. Most likely they will think of petabytes the same way that we think of megabits. I think that is being conservative. Now if I am not wrong they are using petabytes to measure the band width of large projects and companies today. So do you worry about hard drive space for MP3s?Why would a shadowrunner worry about space any file?What do you want loggestics to make characters sweat? Do you also makes sure they keep their dead skin cells from falling off?Or maybe just stray hair? Cause if you really think they should bring back file size I think you are being just as anal as the people who do the full CSI bullshit. That being said you can be as anal as you want to be in your games. They are your games after all. |
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Jan 6 2006, 06:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 30-November 04 Member No.: 6,858 |
All the time... :S |
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