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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 752  |
okay I suppose you could go for a CZ-52 Pistol, or a Glock 20 in 9x25mm Dillon, .22 Magnum in FMJ, those ballistics will be busting vests for a few years.
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Dec 12 2005, 01:55 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,507 Joined: 27-January 05 From: ...and I'm all out of bubblegum Member No.: 7,021 |
Stop channeling Howard Hughes ;) |
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Dec 12 2005, 07:40 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
I don't think it's the shape that's the problem so much as the material it's made of. A lot of gunheads regularly praise the Flat Point Truncated Cone bullet shape as having better abilities at penetrating materials at oblique angles (such as car windshields). Back when I had that USP40, I used that type of bullet almost exclusively and never had feeding problems. If I could find some in .45 ACP, I'd be using it now. The closest I get is Hornady's XTP hollow point. It seems to work well through a 1911. There are stories about feed ramp gouging with the Flatau bullet in certain handguns. That was mainly an issue of it using a very hard material (steel) with a sharp cutting edge as the "inner ring" of the bullet. That problem was solved relatively easily with a polymer filler extending through the center hole and forming a tip to guide the bullet into the chamber. Impact would just force the filler out through the rear of the bullet and allow the rest to do its job. That does comprise the lift-generating capabilities of the "ring airfoil" design, thus apparently takes a bit of flatness out of the trajectory. Not a big deal in a handgun bullet, though.
I'll be more impressed when they make it out of wood. :)
I recall seeing some terminal data for the Flatau bullet, but I'm having trouble finding it right now. IIRC, because of the shape, the bullet had a tendency to destabilize in flesh, causing it to tumble and yaw, though I don't recall any penetration depth figures. At any rate, the wound cavity is unlikely to be any worse than that generated by 5.7x28mm or 4.6x30mm.
Well, the pistol is utilitarian at best (you're probably aware that I own one, as well as my opinions about it), but something chambered in 7.62x25mm using the .223 Timbs load and an AP bullet (true APDS) would probably work nicely. |
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Dec 12 2005, 08:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 752 |
heh, too much compromise, I'll stick with my russian 4 Gauge anti-vehicular shotgun and buy some cyberarms when they fall off.
http://www.tulatoz.ru/en/toz123.html :cyber: no wait, a .50 caliber machinegun that is light enough to fit in the back of a yugo, I shall make it out of wood, I will call it the spruce ma deuce! |
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Dec 12 2005, 01:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 944 Joined: 19-February 03 Member No.: 4,128 |
CIS might have the thing for ya. I don't have the stats at hand, but they have a .50BMG HMG that is 1/3 lighter than the M2.
The recoil would be another thing entirely. Better weld the tripod directly to the frame. |
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Dec 12 2005, 02:36 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
The XM312 weighs 42lbs with a tripod, vs. 128lbs for an M2HB on a tripod. Couldn't find the weight of the XM312 w/o the mount on a quick Google.
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Dec 12 2005, 03:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 944 Joined: 19-February 03 Member No.: 4,128 |
Ooh, shiny!
Ya know, Christmas is coming... and you all forgot my birthday... :D |
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Dec 12 2005, 10:22 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
*cracks up* :rotfl: |
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Dec 13 2005, 02:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 752 |
yeah but "the Spruce Ma Deuce" is a better nickname for my wang than "XM312" ;)
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