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 Dec 16 2005, 10:59 AM
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Freelance Elf  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714  |
Sure it is. That's why we spend so much to train 'em. The question is -- is a soldier's armor worth $100,00? |
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Dec 16 2005, 11:15 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Right now it's rigid, so while it wouldn't necessarily have to be form fitted, there would have to be at least a few dozen different sizes. Which basically means it'd be quite strictly personal gear. As of 2004, the US Army was still going for flexible full body armor by 2020. Considering all the problems you run into with rigid full body armor, I seriously doubt such will be fielded in large numbers for a few decades yet. This particular material has not yet been shown to provide any real advantage over other types of flexible body armor -- nor has it even been shown to function properly as flexible body armor. |
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Dec 16 2005, 07:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 530 Joined: 11-June 05 Member No.: 7,441 |
Depends on what the probability of taking fire is, doesn't it? If you think it unlikely, you probably won't wear the armor. But if you already hear the gunshots, you probably would. For stuff like patrols, recon, etc, where you don't anticipate taking fire, you'd probably leave this at home. For situations where you're planning on doing a direct assault on a fortified position, well, yeah, assuming that it could stop most of the fire you'd take and it doesn't turn you into a sitting duck for the fire it can't... well, you'd suffer the 300 lbs of weight, wouldn't you? :) |
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Dec 16 2005, 07:50 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 |
Not that I could lug around 300# of armor, but if I was capable of doing so:
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Dec 16 2005, 07:58 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Guys. Stop looking at this technological breakthrough in terms of "how can this alone add to already established military technology."
Look at what other forms of military technology are coming down the pike, too. Like that exoskeletal humanoid movement enhancer. Now think about that. We have things that can let a soldier go stomping around at full tilt for two hours without getting tired, while carrying a shitload of heavy gear. We have armor that looks to be impervious to just about everything short of high-explosives and APDS tank rounds....... Come on people! This is not a hard leap of the imagination! |
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Dec 16 2005, 08:09 PM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Pffft.
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Dec 16 2005, 08:53 PM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
I think that's the shortest thing raygun has ever posted.
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Dec 16 2005, 08:57 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
But it still speaks volumes.
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Dec 16 2005, 09:37 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
And you can still get hurt from that if the blow lands in a lightly or unarmoured area, believe me. Though at a Faire outside of KC I did see a tournament that was done with live steel (flat of the blade) and full-on Tilting. This was put on by the local college's Theatrical dept so they definitely were "well practised". As to the "cultural" styles, most of the members I ran into were either Brit or Celtic. We had the odd Roman, a couple of Vikings (very fun at the bardic circle) and even a Samurai once, but the British Isles seemed to always be represented by the majority. --"Crazy Ivan the Polish Madman" [Retired] (& that was long before Hunt for Red October) |
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Dec 16 2005, 10:46 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
like the energy requirements for fielding and army wasnt bad enough allready... |
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Dec 17 2005, 12:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 28-January 05 From: Phoenix, Arizona Member No.: 7,030 |
Although I'd allow this bit of trivia in the use of creating self repairing hardened armor, I don't think I'd let it get to the "bulletproof bug repellent" stage...
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Dec 20 2005, 12:55 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 7-December 04 Member No.: 6,873 |
On the subject of SCA liscences, I got one to play with my airsoft guns in a public park masquerading as Shadowrun.So Sci-Fi works if your municipallity is lax (or "openminded" enough).
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Dec 20 2005, 01:07 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Wow.
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Dec 20 2005, 06:29 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Why would the armor be self-repairing? Or, rather, what in the article said the material would be self-repairing? I didn't see anything about that property. |
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Dec 21 2005, 11:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 28-January 05 From: Phoenix, Arizona Member No.: 7,030 |
yer right, my bad, saw the word Nano and thought Nanotechnology was being used to full extent, i.e. molecule sized robots, which could theoretically be utilized in producing self repairing hardened armor. However now that I've at least scanned through the article more carefully and caught the jist I'm not sure if I like it and would want it in my game.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this stuff sounds like what one of my players wants, "Diamond Plated Armor", :-? |
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Dec 21 2005, 11:45 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853 |
What does this have to do with shadow run?
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Dec 21 2005, 12:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 28-January 05 From: Phoenix, Arizona Member No.: 7,030 |
In a more or less reality based role playing game set in the somewhat near/not too distant future Players and GM's both should have access to materials, equipment, and scientific advances which are available in our modern world. So whenever something new like this comes along we all should take a look into it, get an idea of it's edges and flaws. Also we should at least bring it to the attention of our respective gaming groups, hash out a conversion for it, run it through some simulations, then comes to voting of keeping/calming/tossing... I'm no einstein, but I love science, so feel free to email any scientific breakthroughs my way. |
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Dec 21 2005, 12:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853 |
I'm just a Cannon kind of GM.
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Dec 21 2005, 01:59 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
In fact, no real world application of nanotechnology involves microscopic robots. Nanotechnology as it currently exists just involves nanoscale control of material properties. For example, heat treating can adjust the grain (crystal) size of some steel alloys to nanometer-scales for unique hardness and strength properties. Also, I believe a number of common products (like blue LEDs) require nanoscale precision in setting up their different semiconductor layers. (And that's achieved with vapor deposition, not microscopic robots.)
It would be easy enough to say something like, "Yeah, this nanostructured material was popular in the 2020s for armor, but it's as obsolete and ineffective as kevlar in the 2060s."
This material would probably survive the Dikoting process, if that's what you mean. Dikoting doesn't do that much for armor - just +1/+1 in SR3 and SR2. That shouldn't be a game breaker.
(Cannon? You like big guns? :) ) Canon doesn't get into armor materials with great detail. It wouldn't hurt to cite this nanomaterial as a typical hard armor material of the 2060s. |
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Dec 23 2005, 12:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 28-January 05 From: Phoenix, Arizona Member No.: 7,030 |
My votes with Cray.
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