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post Dec 19 2005, 09:32 PM
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what house rules have peole done for drunks? Alcohol is a "legal" addiction (unlike nicotine) so what's the game effect of being drunk?
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post Dec 19 2005, 09:38 PM
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Depends how drunk you are. -1 Agility and -1 Reaction, -1 Logic, 2 levels of Pain Tolerance, is what I use for a character that's pretty wasted.
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post Dec 19 2005, 11:37 PM
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The way we play, a person stay reasonably sober as long as the number of drinks does not exceed the natural points of body for the character (ie no drinking bonus for ceramic bonelacing). After that, all active and knowledge skills get a +1 TN per drink until you either sleep it off or have massive amounts of Nukit Burgers (or Burritos will suffice). Besides that, we don't usually encourage drinking before going on a job...stealth and aim seem to go to shit.
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post Dec 20 2005, 04:31 PM
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I'd say one drink of alcohol does 2S damage, soaked by Body. 4S for a "double," and so forth.

Seems the simplest way to do it.
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post Dec 20 2005, 06:01 PM
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It gives -2 dice on social tests.
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post Dec 20 2005, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig)
It gives -2 dice on social tests.

Except when dealing with other drunks.
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post Dec 20 2005, 06:38 PM
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social tests are used by both participants. thus, the -2 would cancel out. no need to come up with the exception if both persons are drunk.
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post Dec 20 2005, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (stevebugge)
QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Dec 20 2005, 01:01 PM)
It gives -2 dice on social tests.

Except when dealing with other drunks.

Nope, even on that occasion. ;)
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post Dec 20 2005, 07:57 PM
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I wonder why. Social drinking is a very popular pasttime and indeed, certain well known social skills are often used with or influenced by alcohol.

Why make -2 on all social skill tests? Drunk people don't seduce others? Drunk people don't show other people a good time, or make them laugh? Angry drunks don't scare the piss out of people?
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post Dec 20 2005, 08:07 PM
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My "except when dealing with other drunks" addendum was to describe the oft observed but inexplicable phenomona that two drunk people often get along better than if they were both sober. Similarly sober people have almost as difficult a time dealing with drunks as drunks have dealing with sober people.
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post Dec 20 2005, 08:13 PM
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heck, the penalty should be a bonus.

"I love you man !"

"I love you too !!! <buuuurp>"

"Let's call your ex-girlfriend, it's only 3 am"

"OK!"
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post Dec 20 2005, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE (TheHappyAnarchist)
I wonder why. Social drinking is a very popular pasttime and indeed, certain well known social skills are often used with or influenced by alcohol.

Alcohol makes you braver and more apt to disregard your insecurities and inhibitions. It does not make you "better" at social things. It's really a roleplaying thing, and not a mechanical bonus.

It would go in stages. Initiailly, it would probably be a -1 to all checks, but give an equal benefit to ignore the same amount of penalty from both stun and physical. (you don't resist damage better, but you can ignore the effects of it easier)

Also, probably decrease the amount of ones needed to glitch by that same amount. (bad things tend to happen, like tripping over stationary objects).

Afterwords, the penalties would start being higher than the bonuses.

Any test to resist fear is not subject to the dice penalty, but instead gets a bonus = to the penalty it would have had.
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post Dec 20 2005, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE (ogbendog)
"Let's call your ex-girlfriend, it's only 3 am"

I have a theory that anyone...anyone...when sufficiently drunk, will decide that calling someone (particular a current or ex significant other) on the phone is a very good idea.
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post Dec 20 2005, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig)
It gives -2 dice on social tests.

Covered by the penalties of accumulating Stun damage, per my method. :)

Besides, drink enough booze and you pass out. Sounds like Stun damage to me!
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post Dec 20 2005, 11:00 PM
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Yeah, booze CAN kill you, but that's what overflow is for. In real life, passing out is a body's defensive mechanism saying 'too much!!' but if you pound, say, an entire bottle of 151 at once, in about 10 minutes you resist would be like 20 S...resisted with only body.

So it COULD kill you, in a sense.
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post Dec 20 2005, 11:13 PM
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It could, sure. Granted, so can breathing.

Most likely you'd pass out fairly quickly, throw up the contents of your stomach, then wake up and have one hell of a hangover. And have to piss. A lot.

A lightly buzzed character would most likely get a +1 to Charisma and Body and -1 to Perception and Intuition. (While buzzed, I maintain almost all of my manual dexterity and reaction time.)

A drunk character would probably get a +2 to Body and Pain Tolerance 2, as well as a -1 to Reaction and Agility, a -2 to Intuition and Perception, and a -1 to Willpower. They then recieve the skills "Drunk Dialing" and "Drunk English" at a rating of somewhere around 2 or 3.
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post Dec 20 2005, 11:14 PM
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In Shadotech or Man & Machine I think it was the Nephretic Screen essentially made it impossible for you to get drunk. Not sure if toxin filters work that way too. Has anyone ever used any of this 'ware to win a drinking contest?

Worse yet anyone ever used it to survive deliberately poisoning themselves to 1. trick someone in to poisoning themselves at the same time or 2. to frame someone else?
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post Dec 20 2005, 11:15 PM
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The basic idea of alcohol being a 2(stun) toxin seems good, but the overdose rules are kind of wishy-washy. No self-respecting bar-fly has just one shot. How many shots in how quick a time moves the power level how much. Because my troll will never get drunk if he just has to score 2 successes with 11 dice.

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post Dec 20 2005, 11:16 PM
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heh, you could treat every N drinks as a level 1 stim patch. so you feel no pain, but eventauly start taking stun damage
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post Dec 20 2005, 11:24 PM
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Besides Drunk Dialing and Drunk English, don't forget 'Drunk SMS' and 'Drunken Pick Up Lines' knowledge skill.
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post Dec 20 2005, 11:32 PM
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Drunk SMS (or texting, as we like to call it here in the States) falls as a specialization under Drunk Dialing. Or would that be under Drunk English?

Oh, hell, I don't know. Maybe I should get drunk and find out.
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post Dec 20 2005, 11:33 PM
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I find that while drunk and speaking another language, you begin to speak your non native language more often. My mother tounge is English, but my second language is Finnish, and while drunk i sometimes forget my English. :P That can be instated somehow.
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post Dec 21 2005, 12:06 AM
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So it sounds like we need to create a mechanic that deals with levels of drunkness and determines what it takes to get there.

I'll throw this out, when drinking Alcohol the player takes (2+1 for every drink consumed within Body * 10 minutes)S Appropriate Toxin Filters apply. Drinking stun should be tracked to determine how drunk the character is based on body

Up to 1/4 of Body: A little Buzzed -1 Logic, -1 to social skills, 1 level of Pain Tolerance

1/4 to 1/2 Body: Drunk -1 Agility and -1 Reaction, -1 Logic, -1 to social skills, 2 levels of Pain Tolerance

1/2 to 3/4: Tanked (maybe passed out by this point) -2 Agility and -2 Reaction, -2 Logic, -2 to social skills, 3 levels of Pain Tolerance

3/4 or more: Completely Blitzed (probably passed out) -3 Agility and -3 Reaction, -3 Logic, -3 to social skills, -1 to Charisma 3 levels of Pain Tolerance

Suggestions, Improvements, good drunken stories?
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post Dec 21 2005, 12:15 AM
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so if i'm smalling 1 drink per 10 minutes. with a body of 3(average human) I take 2+3 = 5S every 30 minutes. on average 4

if I'm an average troll with body 7, I take 2+7 = 9 every 70 minutes. on average 5. So trolls take longer to get drunk.

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post Dec 21 2005, 12:28 AM
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I always thought it was an unspoken rule that Elves get drunk fastest, Humans second fastest, Orks tying up with Dwarves, and Trolls being the Olympic-style drinkers we see in films about college life.
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