I still don't understand cyberlimbs, torsos, skull, and body slots Options

[Moon-Hawk]

Yes, I did a search for this topic. Yes, I found stuff. No, I'm not satisfied with the answers that I found.

1) All cyberlimbs have average human stats, regardless of whether it's on an 8-year old girl or an exceptionally large troll. Oooookay. Whatever. I can deal with that. I sort of think they should come in metatype models that have average (or above average) stats for the metatype, but maybe since they'd cost more that's just figured in. Still, it seems that an arm built for a troll should have a higher maximum than an arm built for a human. At least in terms of strength and body. I mean, it's BIGGER.

2) What's the deal with the body slots. I know they give an example (pg 335), but it's entirely too vague. The example says that torsos have a strength and agility stat. What about skulls? In their example they imply that there are only five or four slots being used, since those numbers give me an average of 4 (which they got), but if I assume six slots then they only average 3.
So.
a) How many/what slots for Body?
b) How many/what slots for Strength?
c) How many/what slots for Agility?

3) Armor. It sounds like the consensus is that it is summed, not averaged. I can see arguments either way. I'm still not entirely convinced either way, though.

edit:4) Extra damage boxes. 1/limb. What about torso and skull? One for each of those?

And considering what a mess cyberlimbs have turned into in previous editions, how did this not get fixed? Why, in the designer's meeting room, was there not a large chalk board with the words, "Don't &$*% up cyberlimbs!" written on it?

Thanks.

[PlatonicPimp]

See, the reason your search didn't turn up any more concrete answers is that there are none. Until augmentation comes out, you are going to have to house rule the hell out of those suckers, and hope for the best. Go with what you think works.

[Azralon]

[Zen Shooter01]

I've house ruled for many editions now that limbs automatically come with attributes that match the body's. Increases cost more.

You're right. Cyberlimbs are unecessarily complicated.

[Zen Shooter01]

I've house ruled for many editions now that limbs automatically come with attributes that match the body's. Increases cost more.

You're right. Cyberlimbs are unecessarily complicated.

Edit: there are two of these posts. How did that happen?

[Squinky]

[Squinky]

Also forgot to mention that we use the damage bonuses to unarmed attacks that bone density 4 and titanium lacing gives on limbs also. Just makes sense....

[SimpleRunner]

Personally I see the rules showing that any mod placed on a limb has to have the criteria listed, no essesnce cost and takes up space. Wired Reflexes and bone lacing would be in the catagory that can't be used. I see the reasoning behind the not adding those as you can add the bioware equivalent inside the torso as the that is just a shell as is the skull. The extra boxes of Condition Monitor are for Physical damage for each Limb, not the torso and skull which are stated as shells only, thus 4 limbs replaced would be 4 extra boxes on the condition monitor.

As far as I see it the way that armor plays into this is that all each area is different barring going into hit locations. If a PC has 4 points of armor in all body locations great, not hard to deal with. If the PC has 4 points in his legs and 2 in each arm and none in the torso and skull on the spot ruling should take that into effect. As a GM I like to know if the PC is right or left handed, are they behind cover, did they jump off a 2 story building etc... Being that every situation is different you need to be fair on the numbers. The main thing to deal with is that the capacity is a real hinderence when filling up the available goodies. Should a player look at Level 3 Armor, Body, Strength, and Agility for an arm they have no room left for anything else where as Legs would still have 5 capacity left. The Torso would be able to handle less at 10 and the skull even less still at 5. Nothing will modify the numbers including Grades of Cyberware, one would even consider grades drop capacity costs. I also do agree that Cyberlimbs should start at 3 plus any racial mods.

(Edited for spelling)

[Heimdalol]

These are the rules I'm thinking about using for cyberlimbs.

They're a little out there but let's see what you guys think.


Cyberlimbs:

Start with Strength and Agility of your racial average

Don't have a separate body attribute. You always use your own body.

Don't add a box to your condition modifier. (I'm keeping condition monitors at 10 boxes always)

Have an armour of 2 for free to make up for the condition monitor box.

Okay maybe it's not so odd ...

[Liper]

Limbs are pretty clear in the sourcebook imo.

First off, you can't have a enchancment greater then 3 without a torso.

So in answer to your first few questions.
up to +3 bod/agi/str or +7 if you have a torso.

Now, as to how many "slots" every limb has capacity.

Arms have 15 capacity, every enchancment level takes one capacity, armour two capacity per level (starting to looked balanced armour wise vs stats)