Video editing and CyberEyes, forced inviz? Options

[SL James]

Fine, then. You didn't. I'm still calling bullshit, because this is just completely absurd. Apparently AR can perform magic, because that's the only way that's possible to render a realistic metahuman in an uncontrolled environment in under 3s. The person and program rendering them would also have to be considerably adept at combining the considerable amount of physics, kinesiology, and sheer artistic ability to pull that off. Oh, and that's assuming that they already have a good three-dimensional model.

In other words, to paraphrase a great Far Side comic, "... And then a miracle happens."

Removing an object is even better, because it requires the user and program to be able to convincingly recreate three-dimensional space with incomplete information (i.e., information on what is behind the object in their field of vision) onto the cybereye of a third-person from a different, shifting point of view, and do so in real-time. Oh, and of course let's not forget altering shadows, altering anything that may be moved, touched or altered by the person or object being "cloaked" and syncing all of that up with sensory information from all other senses.

I know that Lisa Smedman in The Lucifer Deck did this, but with 2-D CCTV cameras, but she also had a Light elemental that manifested in the Matrix. I'm not going to really lend too much credence to what the devs think technology can or can't do when one of the SR4 devs (Szeto) couldn't even explain how a diesel engine works correctly in R3 and Technomancers use magical unobtainium rays shooting out of their brains to connect to the Matrix.

[MaxMahem]

[Ranneko]

[mfb]

MaxMayhem, every example you have come up with so far involves pre-generated content. not completed content, necessarily, but a program that is specifically designed to create a certain set of experiences. there is a massive difference between creating a video game--which is basically what all your examples are--and creating on-the-fly content from scratch. yeah, they were able to generate a realistic VR experience 13 years ago. it involved massive sensory data libraries and fantastic amounts of computing power to assemble them. the only thing that's going to be different, 13 years later, is the availability and price of the computing power.

if you want to insert a simulacrum of yourself in someone else's AR, you need to somehow generate that simulacrum. you need to draw it and animate it. it doesn't just magically appear. no amount of technological advancement is going to change that--and no example you've so far shown has broken with that.

[MaxMahem]

[hyzmarca]

To address RunnerPaul's objections:

The Astral is fairly simple to explain, it could be hand coded by magicaly active programers from memory. Because the astral plane is identical to the physical plane in everything except physics this should be difficult to do but not impossible. The holes is handled by the simulation's expectation based self-correction which adjusts the simulation world according to the user's expectations.

As for the RAS override problem - Jack be Nimble. Jack be quick. Jack jumped over a candlestick. Candlestick jumping is a difficult, dangerous, and impercise art. However, if one were to study Jack one could learn how to jump candlesticks in a half-assed way. Half-ass candlestick jumping does have certain applications.

Dunkie's sim didn't use a RAS override, a RAS override still leave the character with the ability to feel pain and to perform perform physical actions, albeit at a +8 TN.
Dunkie's sim completely severed the mind from the real world such that the immersed characters may as well have been Ghosts in the Machine from their own points of view.
That isn't RAS Override, that is something far more serious. Considering that Big D had JackBNimble and was having his people do their darndest to understand it, the VisionQuest's override is probably derivative technology.

[mfb]

jesus, MaxMahem, pay attention. i'm not saying you can't insert realistic video into someone's simsense. i'm saying that video has to come from somewhere. images do not appear from the ether fully-formed. someone makes them, or writes a program--such as Virtual Person--to make them. you keep referencing programs that are specifically designed to generate specific types of sensory input, and then claiming that means that anybody can slap together any sensory input they want, any time they want. there's a video game out there called RPG Maker, which allows anyone who uses it to create an RPG game. that doesn't mean that anyone, at any time, can simply generate playable game content on the fly.

[Lagomorph]

My impression of virtual weather was that it just replaced with its own weather, what it couldn't find on a range finder in the goggles or cyber eyes. So looking at a mirror into the sky would show the drab of Seattle, but looking up directly at the sky would show the beautiful Waikiki sunset.

[Rotbart van Dain...]

[RunnerPaul]

[RunnerPaul]

[mfb]

*shrug* okay. i guess it's no less insane than a lot of the other rules.

[PlatonicPimp]

[Ranneko]