 Who's Ryan Mercury? |
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 Jan 7 2006, 09:19 AM
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Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019  |
How and when did Findley die? And as for Mercury, I'll have either my runners or the bound spirit of Nigel Findley kill him. With a cow from space.
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Jan 7 2006, 11:47 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Died: Feb. 19, 1995 of a heart attack
Hail to the King A little something to aid the digestion "Even a fool can learn from his own mistakes. It takes a wise man to learn from the mistakes of others." -Nigel Findley |
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Jan 7 2006, 12:19 PM
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Karma Police Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,358 Joined: 22-July 04 From: Gothenburg, SE Member No.: 6,505 |
Nigel was the man
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Jan 7 2006, 12:19 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
:(
Those goold old times.... Back then, crap like Ryan Mercury wouldn't be possible, i'm sure. |
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Jan 7 2006, 12:23 PM
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Karma Police Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,358 Joined: 22-July 04 From: Gothenburg, SE Member No.: 6,505 |
Not sure. Wasn´t Wolf and Raven earlier than Derek? Raven had some Ryan Mercury tendencies I think. Fortunately he didn´t have a major part in those stories, and all the other characters were really cool.
(Not the book published in -98. but the short stories from Challenge Magazine the book is made from were among the earliest SR fiction written if Im not mistaken.) |
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Jan 7 2006, 12:26 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
That's the difference ;) Ryan had a major part and was an important character.
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Jan 7 2006, 12:35 PM
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Karma Police Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,358 Joined: 22-July 04 From: Gothenburg, SE Member No.: 6,505 |
The problem with characters like that is that it´s too easy to picture them being played by Steven Seagal.
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Jan 7 2006, 12:37 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Or worse: Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible. Or Pierce Brosnan as 007. :eek:
With magic! :D |
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Jan 7 2006, 12:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 17-June 02 From: Concord University, Athens, WV Member No.: 2,880 |
That gives me a horrible idea for a character name. Worse yet, several of my players would understand the reference. Fist, from now on, in my mind you are "Fiddycentilus." Foreigner's bad puns have nothing on mine. |
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Jan 7 2006, 12:52 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
's better than Fist anyways
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Jan 7 2006, 01:42 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Michael Stackpole wrote the Wolf and Raven stories before the SR rules were finalized. A little leeway can be given, I think. |
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Jan 7 2006, 02:02 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
Every time someone mentions Ryan Mercury, I get a mental picture of Ben Affleck.
It's *that* bad. ;) |
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Jan 7 2006, 03:05 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Ryan Mercury is a Magician's Way Adept which means that, by canon, he's pretty much useless. He is a Drake, which means that, by canon, he is pretty much useless. He a Dunkie as a mentor which is okay because that's an edge that Drakes can take. all it does is mean that other great dragons Now, a standard 125 BP character build with all of these traits will be worthless in the shadows. There is no reason not to let anyone play Ryan Mercury, that person isn't a munchkin powergamer because Mercury is one of the most unoptmized characters possible. But when the nipples come out he just has to die. Really, how many GMs out there would stand by while a PC fondles the Vice President's nipples? Orbital cow, man, orbital cow. |
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Jan 7 2006, 03:09 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
... I disagree. I will only back up my disagreement by saying "you must play in very brief, not-much-karma-or-money-handed-out, games." |
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Jan 7 2006, 03:23 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
As presented in the novels Ryan Mercury has much much karma under his belt. When trying to build him during chargen, you'll need a lot more than 125 BPs.
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Jan 7 2006, 03:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853 |
at character creation he will be week liek Seth green, but with a Karma hot beef injection he will be like the Arnold i knew in the 80's.
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Jan 7 2006, 03:35 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Even with a great deal of karma, a normal magician can still outmagic him and a normal adept can still out adept him. With enough karma a MW adept can be awsome, yes, but he is always has to spend more karma than standard magic characters to be less awsome than they are.
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Jan 7 2006, 03:49 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Imo Ryan has so much karma that he can outmatch most "normal" magicians. And that's before he's using Dunkies Heart.
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Jan 7 2006, 03:58 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Hey hey hey, he did a good job on the first one. It's the second one, where they turned it into a generic action flick, that resembles our Mr. Mercury. ~J |
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Jan 7 2006, 04:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 197 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,542 |
Well I have question about the Mary Sue character archtype. (haven't read the Ryan Mercury stuff, and I guess I'm glad I didn't.) What is the worst aspect of the Mary Sue? The all-powerful apsect, or the no negative traits aspect?
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Jan 7 2006, 04:10 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Neither. Sometimes Mary Sues aren't quite all-powerful (though they get everything done anyway), and they usually have a few "flaws" thrown in of the sorts that get listed when HR asks you what your main weaknesses are for your annual review ("he's a great guy, but he just works too doggone hard!").
No, the worst part of such a character is that you're continually being bludgeoned in the face by the author's metaphorical phallus. Worse yet, the character is usually obviously set up as "the guy you're supposed to like". ~J |
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Jan 7 2006, 04:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 17-June 02 From: Concord University, Athens, WV Member No.: 2,880 |
In most fanfiction, it's the total lack of negative traits that really marks a Mary Sue. I find that to be the more annoying aspect, too. Universal Mary Sue Litmus Test (Mostly meant for females and fanfiction characters, but applies fairly reliably to others.) |
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Jan 7 2006, 04:35 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
That kind of "always has the answers" type usually gets written out quickly, or killed, in Joss Whedon shows. That's why I like him.
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Jan 7 2006, 04:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 586 Joined: 22-November 02 From: Gordonsville, Virginia, U.S.A. (or C.A.S.) Member No.: 3,630 |
Sahandrian: I resemble that remark. :P I now un-hijack (?) this thread. --Foreigner |
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Jan 7 2006, 05:42 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I think the results I got for Aina explains why I hate Worlds Without End so much. |
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