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 Jan 18 2006, 10:42 PM
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Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019  |
What about focus addiction? Does it add to addiction while it's on your back, or only while you use it? And what do you mean background count?
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Jan 19 2006, 12:33 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Focus Addiction and Background Count are two rules from the previous editions' magic books which will presumably make an appearence in Street Magic. Rules for them do not currently exist for SR4.
Focus Addiction is the idea that a magician who uses foci too much becomes reliant upon them, and ultimately loses the ability to perform magic without them. The key word here is uses - there's no effect for having bonded and not used a powerful focus. Background counts are areas whose astral space is in some way altered off the normal baseline, making magic difficult. This is a concept which has historically been rather muddled up with the idea of the Power Site, since background counts can be aspected towards specific types of magic (making those kinds of magic easier instead of more difficult). Background counts that happened because the mana levels were high and unstable (ex.: site of the Ghost Dance) and counts that happened because the mana levels were low and unreachable (ex.: Space) were functionally identical, and not distinguished game mechanically. In previous editions, the game mechanics of background counts were such that they had no effect on weapon foci - there wasn't any in-story reason why they wouldn't, it was just that weapon foci rarely made the die rolls that were background count modified. Perversely, characters with weapon foci actually wanted to fight in a near mana warp, because melee target numbers were unaffected, and you didn't give a damn how well your sword did on its perception tests. But that was a hole in the rules, and hopefully not something that will be repeated in SR4. Magic Swords are supposed to be inconvenienced as much as anything else in a poor-mana region. -Frank |
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Jan 19 2006, 01:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
thank god my .45 rounds don't care about magic or not, just space to travel through =p
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Jan 19 2006, 01:11 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 70 Joined: 2-September 05 Member No.: 7,673 |
Seems strange that they haven't kept the rule that made longer reach Weapon foci cost more to bind and buy? Now I can see a heck of a lot more Combat Axe weapon foci weilding Adepts than ones that had swords! More damage and longer reach! In fact it makes a friends character that was a Troll Phys-Ad with a Glaive (a type of pole-arm) scarier as in 3rd Ed. she was struggling to get enough karma together to try and bind a decent weapon foci version of her Glaive. Now she can start with one at force 2.
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Jan 19 2006, 01:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
aye, but reach isn't as overpowering as it was before.
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Jan 19 2006, 02:45 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 9-October 05 Member No.: 7,827 |
what about abnoramal weapon foci-here is a list
Plastic or rubber bag sprayed with oricalcum shanks or screwdrivers base-ball bats-the oricalcum is inside meat cleavers machetes brass knukles razor blades shirkens(ninja stars-yes I know you'll have to get them back but heck you might be able to control their flight mentally) scythes whips nunchuks pool cues-like the base ball bats spears ball and chain tonfas fire wheels goku hooks crow-bars meat hooks boomerangs That about covers it I think |
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Jan 19 2006, 02:49 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 9-October 05 Member No.: 7,827 |
just thought of this one
Maybe a Zip Gun |
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Jan 19 2006, 02:58 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
Throughout all four editions of Shadowrun, weapon foci have been melee weapons only. The reasoning being that a weapon focus only has power when touching whomever it's bound to. You aren't touching a ranged weapon when it's actually doing damage to your opponent. (And no, strings tied to arrows, and trailing wires from tazer darts don't count as keeping contact. You'd actually have to be touching the arrow, or the dart itself). Now if you did have a weapon focus zip gun, you could pistol whip someone with it to get the benefits, but that's all. |
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Jan 19 2006, 04:32 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
People've already tried to explain this one to you. |
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Jan 19 2006, 05:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 9-October 05 Member No.: 7,827 |
that one is doable it's just that orichalcum metal flake spray paint isn't cheap
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Jan 19 2006, 05:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 9-October 05 Member No.: 7,827 |
but I am surprised on one has mentioned the pool cue yet
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Jan 19 2006, 05:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 9-October 05 Member No.: 7,827 |
cue!
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Jan 19 2006, 05:42 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
You see the little button that says 'modify' above your post?
Use it. |
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Jan 19 2006, 05:49 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
My version of that button says 'Edit'. Is it different depending on what theme you view the boards in?
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Jan 19 2006, 05:59 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
aahhhhh! aaaaaAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
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Jan 19 2006, 06:07 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 6-January 06 Member No.: 8,137 |
Feel better now? |
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Jan 19 2006, 06:08 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
I'm prety sure that strings tied to arrows do work if and only if the string was part of the focus design and enchanted as such. After all, you don't have to touch the bare blade of your focus sword. |
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Jan 19 2006, 06:30 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
if you're looking to have a 'ranged weapon foci', you can get something close by making a weapon w/ a sustained Enhance Aim built in. Won't work on shurikens still because it has to be in contact with you. ut it will work on a gun. Looking for Enhanced Aim in SR4, see how it works.
Doesn't have the cool side effects of by passing Imm to Weapons or blocking regeneration. |
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Jan 19 2006, 06:39 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
And it's nowhere near as badass as an orichalcum spraypainted plastic bag!
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Jan 19 2006, 06:51 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
I prefer having an ally spirit named 'Megatron' with a gun form and a powerful custom indirect attack spell called 'fusion cannon'.
Most of the time, you can have Megatron sustain enhanced aim on you while you shoot people with him. When the going gets tough or something with Immunity to Normal Weapons shows up you just point Megatron at it and have him cast fusion cannon. Of course, if you are incapacitated he can take his other form, which usually causes the opposition to wet themselves and run away, latter posting about how this fraggin' magician's fraggin' gun transformed into a fraggin' giant robot. |
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Jan 19 2006, 06:54 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
"Of course it doesn't have the range of a sword, but ....." |
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Jan 19 2006, 08:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 9-October 05 Member No.: 7,827 |
back...................
Then lets get bad ass...... wheapon focus power tools drills chainsaws circularsaws machines + magic |
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Jan 19 2006, 09:13 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
why?
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Jan 19 2006, 09:28 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Shh. Just let him be happy. |
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Jan 19 2006, 09:38 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Same reason for monowhips, I suppose. Fixed damage. Magician's aren't usually buff. Even the troll combat mage is a little weak compared to more common troll builds. |
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