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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 332 Joined: 19-September 05 From: Nashville, Tn Member No.: 7,761  |
ok... is there any thing stoping a mage with a telescope from writing there name on the moon with shape earth spell, or for that matter Zotting satellites down.
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Jan 20 2006, 03:09 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
It depends on how you interperate background count rules. If you decide that there is no penality for casting into a BC from outside then absolutly nothing.
If you decide that there is a penality for casting into a BC from outside then the manawarp in space will pose a problem. This problem is easily overcome with filtering, centering, and sacrificing. |
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Jan 20 2006, 03:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 1-March 04 Member No.: 6,112 |
Sounds like an MIT&T fraternity prank.
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Jan 20 2006, 03:18 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
What do mages need to have in order to cast long-distance? Can they just use telescopic contact lenses that aren't digital read-out?
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Jan 20 2006, 03:20 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
It would have to be a really good telescope, because certain distance modifiers apply. Then you have to deal with the mana warp. Finally, you have to consider area: even Harlequin wouldn't be able to actually see his name if he wrote it on the moon (well, unless he used the spell over and over and over again).
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Jan 20 2006, 03:47 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Area does pose a problem with shape earth, but not for some other spells. Imagine casting Improved Invisibility on it, for example.
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Jan 20 2006, 04:23 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
Nah, U of Chicago MT&P school |
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Jan 20 2006, 04:40 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Nah. Sounds like a single student prank.
Writing "MIT&T" in the moon would be a frat prank. :) And zotting down satelites sounds like a good idea to me. They'll have a weee bit of a problem figuring out just WHAT is going on. |
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Jan 20 2006, 04:42 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
The spell's Shape Earth, not Shape Luna.
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Jan 20 2006, 05:23 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 16-March 05 Member No.: 7,170 |
I'd allow it. TN 1000. Special drain for casting through the mana warp: (+20)DN. Feel free to give it a shot.
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Jan 20 2006, 05:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
just get a great ghost dance done for it...
who cares if some freshman die, it's part of the initiation! hehe. |
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Jan 20 2006, 07:11 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Ares is actually workin go that (or close enough). Project:Artemis, on oen of their space stations, is about casting spells from space to Earth, and Earth to space. Really, once they get the hang of it, it's only a matter of time until they start renting out Billboard space on the moon. Imagine looking out your window at night to see NERPS!!!! instead of the man on the moon. Now that's marketing exposure!
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Jan 20 2006, 08:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 27-October 05 From: Waterloo, ON Member No.: 7,900 |
Does Magic even operate in space? I thought mages died if they accessed the astral out of the atmosphere.
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Jan 20 2006, 08:39 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: 19-January 06 Member No.: 8,182 |
They usually do. But this time it is just the magic accessing the space.
Magic entering a dead/warped space. Now what would happen to that magic? I can't help but thinking that the magic is either moving through nothing and hence has nothing to react on (bear with me, my mind is fuzzy from coffee and not enough sleep) OR moves through warped magic thick as molasses with a serious magical backfire for the magician. I think it is explained in some of the books I've got. but I am too fuzzybrained at the mo. :wobble: :spin: Help? |
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Jan 20 2006, 08:47 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
well, the books say that mages astrally percieving can die or go insane. Space is a Lv 10 Mana Warp, and any astral actions result in 16D damage each round for deep space. So take tons of damage and reduce force of spells by 10, But yes, it is possible to do magic in space technically. Just very very difficlt and dangerous. Filtering metamagic ceratinly helps. |
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Jan 20 2006, 08:49 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Outer space has a rating 10 background count most probably due to extreme sterility and cosmic radiation. Space stations have background counts around 8 or 9.
Background counts that extreme will cause quite a bit of damage to any magician who tries to cast spells or percieve astral. Don't even think about projecting. Incidently, it doesn't impeed adept powers in any way (there is an exception with attribute boost which causes drain). Background count can be dealt with by using filtering. Also, sacrificing and centering can offset the extreme drain. By some reports there are spirits which live in the warped astral plane of outer space. The person who made these reports tore his own eyes out. I don't know if that makes him more credible or less credible. Either way, I do believe that a toxic shaman could be aspected towards outer space with the right conditioning and would be able to function in space just as well as any other would function on Earth. |
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Jan 20 2006, 11:33 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Magician Adept Virtuso-es, boost his own Magic Rating by 10, Centers to offset drain and proceeds to write his name on the moon. By canon TNs, it isn't that hard.
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Jan 20 2006, 03:09 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 2,030 |
That's because the rules are not written with the purpose of preventing every game-breaking idea the players might come up with, and leave it to individual GMs.
Hey, why target the Moon? Why not target the *Sun* with a Powerbolt? It is a single target, it is a natural object (Object Resistance 3)... I can hit it with a 2D Powerbolt, and if I score *one* success it will be destroyed! See what I mean? |
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Jan 20 2006, 03:29 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Of course, but how many Body does it have?
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Jan 20 2006, 03:40 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
If object body is a function of mass (like vehicle body is) one hell of a lot. |
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Jan 20 2006, 04:08 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 2,030 |
It has (going by the rules) no Body, because it is neither living nor a vehicle. It is (according to the rules) a single non-living target, one not of vehicularial kind whatsoever, meaning the TN to hit it is equal to its Object Resistance (which is 3), the minimum required Force to affect it is 2, and it is a valid target for the 2D Powerbolt in question... Oh... The actual TN might be a little higher, because of the glare modifier, but that's about it... 8) :D 8) |
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Jan 20 2006, 06:49 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 |
Actually, I don't believe the living/non-living nature of the sun is ever addressed in canon. One could make an arguement that the earth should be treated as a living body, since it has its own aura. Who's to say that the sun doesn't have an aura as well? Also, I'd like to see a quote from the rules indicating that vehicles are the only non-living objects that have body ratings. That just doesn't make sense to me. |
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Jan 20 2006, 07:09 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
Actually it may well be indestructible because the Sun is a totem in one of the magic sourcebooks (Either Awakenings 2057 or MITS) |
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Jan 20 2006, 07:33 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
what's a powerbolt going to do to the sun, anyway? make it explode?
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Jan 20 2006, 07:53 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: 6-October 05 Member No.: 7,818 |
Doesn't shape earth have a volume restriction? If so, it may take prohibitively long to shape out a "tag" visible from Earth.
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