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[Mr.Platinum]

[fistandantilus4....]

... or good marketing

ARES SPACE

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[fistandantilus4....]

and then taking in to account Damien Knights ego....

Knight Errant for example

[Mr.Platinum]

[Aku]

[hyzmarca]

That reminds me of the secret moon landing tapes which were never released to the public.

Neil Armstrong: One small step for man, one giant leap for -Harlequin?! Who the fuck is Harlequin?! Huston, you won't believe this "Harlequin wuz here" is clearly written on the lunar surface not three feet in front of me.

[Mr.Platinum]

Ha you guys are as funny as a bunch of tards in a steel cage match fighting for a twinkie. :wobble: :D

[hyzmarca]

Huston, I think the Moon men are trying to communicate with us.

Not five minutes ago the word 'Harlequin' was crossed out and replaced with 'Ehran'. Less than one minute ago 'wuz here' was replaced with 'sucks big fat donkey turds'

[Herald of Verjig...]

IIRC, Saeder Krupp has some facilities on the moon. Chances are, there's a big dragon profile logo in the sea of tranquility.

[fistandantilus4....]

Novatech/Neonet, Ares, and S-K all have 'facilities' there, mostly for mining.

Thats' one thing I've been wondering about: why mine the moon. Now obviously it's not very cost effective to launch raw ore back dirt side and use it, nor is it very efficient to laungh metal up, so what I'd assume they're doing is using to to build stations in orbit, never having touched earth air.

My question is, if they're doing that, how are they smelting it? Running a smelter is going to use up a TON of oxygen, which is of course premium in space.

Now, in Rigger 2, it does mention in one of the vehicles stats (one of the subs I think) that it includes an 'oxygen generator'. The closest I could find was this, which doesn't exactly make oxygen as much as clean and condense what is there. That would certainly have it's uses in space, but not solve the problem.

You could also go the spell jammer way, as in growing plants in space to produce oxygen, but that also takes 1) water, and 2) room. Both are the next hardest things to get in space next to oxygen. It takes (at the lowest cost I've seen) about 1 billion + per year (now ' a days) to run a space station, so adding more room for plants is going to be difficult. So how do they do it? Is true oxygen creation possible in SR? This would seem difficult at best but has anyone seen any real references?How do theye get enough oxygen to smelt the raw metals in space? lasers? :?

[Slump]

Depending on the nature of lunar rock, it's quite possible for them to get all the oxygen they need from the rocks. And doesn't smelting just require heat? Granted, the easiest way to get heat is to burn something, but that's not the only way. Heating something (even alot of something) doesn't need any oxygen at all.

And oxygen generation onboard underwater vehicles and facilities is quite easy -- just run some electricity through water and you get hydrogen and oxygen gas back. Toss out they hydrogren, and keep the oxygen.

[xizor]

i think the easiest way to create a furnace on the moon would be to have nature do the work for you. there is a LOT of energy in sunlight, particularly when it has not gone through an antmosphere.

so,
1 set up a large parabolic mirror (10+ meters in diameter.)
2 put the piece of rock or metal at the focal point.
3 wait the 2 or 3 minutes it would take to turn the rock moltant.
4 continue with the other manufacturing processes.

Note, this does have some problems (like it only working during the day, near constant adjustments of the mirror to maximise the sunlight gathered.)

but its benefits out weigh the costs ( it uses minimal power, and no real chemical resources, it is simple, it can be made out of foil {there isn't an atmosphere on the moon} and its cheap.)

[fistandantilus4....]

thanks Slump, that answers one question at least.

Xizor, I was thinking something more along the lines of solar collectors to charge up lasers to cut away and cook off the dross. Seems faster, more efficient, and a larger scale.

Thanks to both for helping get a clearer picture.

[hyzmarca]

Smelting isn't just about melting. Quite a bit more work goes into it, depending on the type of ore. Consider aluminium.

[fistandantilus4....]

[hyzmarca]

Well, if they decide to go for a swim in the pots I'd think that the molten cryolite would kill them long before the current does.

Considering how expensive aluminium is to produce, I'd think that a spirit whose Wealth power allowed it to create aluminium would be in high demand. Magically creating aluminium would significantly reduce the overhead, both in mining alumina and in smelting it. At the same time, alumina is so plentiful that dumping created aluminium on the market won't cause a huge price drop.

[fistandantilus4....]

you forget though that any thing created by the wealth power bears the spirits signature, and could be used for ritual magic. I can't think that there'd be a lot of spirits out there willing to mass-produce links to it's self.

[hyzmarca]

That's why it would probably be bound. It would be fun to have such a spirit hire some runners to kill his master and offer to pay them their weights in the 'precious' metals he produces.

[fistandantilus4....]

hehe, that would make a great double corss run too! The spirit hires them, because it's been sworn to not attack it's master, but never anything against hiring someone else to do it. But the only thing it can pay with is it's wealth power. So he pays the runners in that. Of course, after the run, and the target eliminated, it doesn't want to be bound again. The runners already have a wealth link to it, so it tried to off them too!

[Chibu]

Well, going back the the TOPIC...

:P

Uhm, I find that the easiest way to deal with people is to use a screen and roll your dice, and don't tell them. If they say you're wrong, tell them "No, I am not wrong. I cannot be wrong. For I am the almighty GM. I have power over the Great Dragons, the Immortal Elves. I can create and destroy at my whim. Now roll the fragging dice, TN 12, if you fail, you get shot."


Or something like that anyway....

and getting to the other stuff talked about...

Where would I find rules for filtering?

[nick012000]

SOTA63.

[warrior_allanon]

alright, heres an example of a bored mage, ok well a bored shaman. but its the same concepts

[ShadowDragon8685]

[Herald of Verjig...]

SR3 Peanut Butter Elemental:
B: F+3 Q: F-2 (x2) S: F+2 C: F I: F W: F E: F(A) R: F-1
Init: F+9+1D6
Attacks: F+2 S Stun, +1 Reach
Powers: Engulf, Materialization, Movement
Weaknesses: Vulnerability (I'm not sure)

It's mostly an average of earth and water, so the stats could also work for any other similar gooey element.