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 Cybereyes and death, Caught on tape... |
 Jan 26 2006, 06:55 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 129 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 400  |
Anyone else think it's time to get paranoid? Anyone you meet might have cybereyes. Since all cybereyes come with a recording unit and theoretically have all the memory they could ever need, what are the odds that you're going to get caught on tape? So much for the Blandness quality.
What i'm looking for is this: 1. Is there any reason your eyes would stop recording when you die? What powers them, and how long after death would the juice run out? 2. What's the legality of post-mortem video as evidence? i can just imagine that cutting out people's cybereyes will be the new necessity when getting rid of the evidence. It's not enough to bury them, since the eyes won't decompose with the rest of the corpse. You'd probably be able to hack them, at least. |
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Jan 26 2006, 07:01 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,863 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
well, since they're supposed to run oof of bio-electricity, they should cut off jsut after barin death (since there's little reason to have back up power. who cares if you're eyes don't work if you're brain dead). As far as legality, should be admissable. And should be pretty easy to capture your killers image on it. Time to go back to ski masks boys and trolls (if you hadn't already), or up grade to nano paste.
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Jan 26 2006, 07:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 753 Joined: 31-October 03 Member No.: 5,780 |
legally speaking, the eyes are very useful if your dead John or Jane happened to see the person, but that doesn't mean much in catching them, at best you have an idea of what they looked like at the time they shot the person. Cosmetic modifications are easy peasy in this time frame, camera film is limited use in that respect.
you should be more worried when they start framing you that way - kill them, then modify the data by hacking the eyes. |
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Jan 26 2006, 11:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
not everyone runs with cyber eyes, but yeah take note =p
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Jan 26 2006, 02:58 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 15-January 06 Member No.: 8,164 |
And other players looked at me funny when I told them my character wore a mask on runs. For the love of Zeus folks, there's cameras everywhere!
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Jan 26 2006, 03:06 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,486 Joined: 17-March 05 From: Michigan Member No.: 7,180 |
I had the same thought about a simrig, a while back... there was some movie... with Robin WIlliams in it... Iforget the name, but they basically had a bioware simrig installed in people, that recorded their whole lives (SR4 has infinate storage space, ne?) and after they died, it was his job to go in and turn the recording into a sort of montage of their life for their funeral... but it also let people see how the person died, since it recorded everything they sensed.
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Jan 26 2006, 03:14 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
hmm, sounds like a somewhat interesting movie, if only for the commentary about future social interactions and the use of technology in strange new ways...
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Jan 26 2006, 05:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 909 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Louisville, KY (Well, Memphis, IN technically but you won't know where that is.) Member No.: 7,626 |
Good grief, I had an entire wardrobe of armored gear that I cycled out between runs. Multiple helmet designs that were repainted/reskinned, different styles of clothing, and I kept the party mage in beer in return for fashioning & sterilizing my clothes before/after each run. I even cycled out which weapons I carried to try and keep the dataminers from linking my runs together. The others weren't quite so fastidious but the mage saw the value in keeping their outfits just as sterilized & fashionable as possible so we as a group didn't get tagged. |
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Jan 27 2006, 03:21 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 70 Joined: 2-September 05 Member No.: 7,673 |
The Final Cut |
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Jan 27 2006, 03:56 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Yes, but if there are cameras everywhere, they have you on tape putting on the mask. The first thing to remember is that if you have no SIN, they have no record of you. So they can get your face on camera, but it won't give them your home address, favorite soap, or any of that info that a face recognition scan would do on a SINner. This is good news. The bad news is that this doesn't prevent them from starting their own file and linking everything they can find about you to it. It will also help them recognize you later. Also, your Fake SINS will have your bio-metrics attached as well. (They wouldn't work otherwise.) So your Fake SINs can be compromised as well. And if you use the same biometric data on any other SIN, it will be immediately compromised. So lets assume that a facial and body recognition program can be run after the fact on any video feed. Sorry, Friend, but that mask isn't going to cut it. It'll fool the low rating scanners, but the serious stuff will be able to tell you from your body movement, your bone structure, and the way the mask hugs your face. The disguise skill just became your best friend. With that skill, you can change your appearance so that you can fool the scanners. Height extensions, shoulder pads, cheek inserts, hair lengtheners, and all manner of Nano-junk can assist you, and the skill also teaches you how to learn to move like a different person, talk like a different person, and mimic those "Tells" that everyone has. In game terms, A scanner would have to get at least as many successes as you got on a disguise check in order to tell you as You. And if they do get your data, there is always plastic surgery, finger print re-writing, DNA alteration, and all the other fun stuff that has only gotten more affordable since 2050. |
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Jan 27 2006, 07:36 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
This movie was actually a remake of a Japanese movie called "After Life" (or 'Wonderful Life' in Japan). Arata (who played Smile, in Ping Pong, if you've seen that) plays the lead, and does a damn fine job. |
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Jan 27 2006, 07:56 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 26-January 06 Member No.: 8,201 |
I have no idea why on earth this hasn't been stated yet...
Not every person is going to be recording all of the time. That gaurd you drop down on and shoot in the face, isn't nessicarily going to spend his free action on turning on his eyecamera...more than likely he's going to spend his free action screaming at the top of his lungs/calling for backup and soiling himself. I know as a person in 2070 i wouldn't record all the time... |
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Jan 27 2006, 10:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 909 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Louisville, KY (Well, Memphis, IN technically but you won't know where that is.) Member No.: 7,626 |
Joe Bob wage slave who gets shot in the face as soon as he steps in the subway won't be using his optic's recording functions all the time.
Joe Bob the security guard is going to turn on the recorders as soon as he goes on shift, probably as company policy. Though the fact is that cybereyes should be far less common these days for typical slobs. Why spend a few thousand plus down time for surgery on a set of cybereyes when you can spend a few hundred and get goggles or contact lenses? If you want recording functionality, get a microsensor module implanted in his helmet, armor or ID badge. |
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Jan 27 2006, 10:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 753 Joined: 31-October 03 Member No.: 5,780 |
Or else make sure you work around a camera if not those.
Part of recording isn't 'recording all the time' as it is recording when it'd be beneficial. Recording on the job means if someone tries to blame you for something can be disproved with some footage, you got your own ass saved. And in some cases, when you're looking around, you can look back later to re-examine things you might want to re-examine, like where you left your keys. |
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Jan 28 2006, 05:41 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Hell, I know that If I had cybereyes, I'd be recordign all the fricken time. because you never know when something you'll want to see later will pop up in front of you. Shit, when I lived in the dorms, I was always seeing stuff I'd like to see later in the privacy of my room.
At the end of the day I'd just data-dump the whole thing to commlink, and would use my handy agent and edit programs to search through it, delete the boring stuff, and keep the rest all on file in case. you never really know when what you see will be useful. |
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Jan 28 2006, 05:55 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,479 Joined: 6-May 05 From: Idaho Member No.: 7,377 |
I would think a person could rig up there eye camera's to start up automatically if given info from a biomonitor (if the person takes any damage) in their armor, or even when a smartlink connection is made....
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Jan 28 2006, 07:07 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 384 Joined: 18-August 03 From: North VA Member No.: 5,519 |
I have the feeling that this thread is going to result in a lot of NPC murder victims being found with bloody eye sockets and missing datajacks...
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Jan 28 2006, 07:14 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
that is gruesome... though, pc's have been known to hack off cyberlimbs and taking body parts for the organleggers and cyberdocs... or for ghoulfeed... Still, I can see a running commentary of the news ingame about a rash of killings where the cybereyes and datajacks are taken and authorities are trying to figure out a profile to the killers, or something silly like that. |
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Jan 30 2006, 11:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 343 Joined: 30-January 06 Member No.: 8,212 |
Always makes me wonder about some people. You figure every character on the run would be using everything possible to keep from being identified. I always have my characters taking thermal damping in their armor, and wearing masks/helmets. Also you would be amazed at how friendly your teams mage gets with those physical mask spells if you buy the sustaining focus for them. As mentioned previously, having gear sanitized, along with multiple sets of gear is another good idea. For myself if I can I try to take as little actual electronics along as possible, for example my current phys ad only uses a micro-transceiver on the runs. Leave those commlinks at home boys and girls if you don't need them, or at least in the getaway vehicle.
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Jan 30 2006, 09:54 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
Me, I'd record every damn thing that I see or hear by default and have a "pause" button that I'd consciously hit when needed. Then an Analyze+Browse agent could cross-reference anything I needed to remember in better detail. Maybe tie that into Virtual Person for my little own secretary-in-a-box.
True, I'd be making every hostile hacker's job a ton easier, but it'd sure make conversations with my lady-love go a whole lot smoother. A man's gotta have his priorities. Me: "I thought you said you weren't going shopping this weekend." Her: "What? No, why would I say that when there's an awesome one-day sale going on?" Me: "Let's go to the replay, shall we?" |
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Jan 30 2006, 10:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
And then they get run down from the recording, just like in real life when someone steals the camera from a 7-11... Stealing the camera in no way guarantees that you've taken the recording medium. |
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Jan 30 2006, 10:07 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
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Jan 30 2006, 10:08 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 7-October 02 From: A figment of you imagination Member No.: 3,423 |
Given that the recording is integral to cybereyes, it would seem the likely place. I agree that total destruction of the head, possibly with a sledge hammer would be better and even that is no guarantee.
But hey destroying cybereyes and ears takes minimal effort and might be enough so why not? :D |
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Jan 30 2006, 10:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
The recording ability is integral to cybereyes...the actual recording, however, falls into that lovely "infinite storage space" that gets so many people worked up. (Is the recording in the cybereyes? clothing? commlink? datachip in a finger compartment? corp server? ad nauseum)
So overall, you're better off with a munchkiny hacker who can go after the data directly, rather than assuming the end user effectively left the clock blinking 12:00. |
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Jan 30 2006, 10:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 384 Joined: 18-August 03 From: North VA Member No.: 5,519 |
Well, stealing the datajack/eyes to make sure that wherever the data got stored didn't remain. So it's quite possible that the body would be somewhat, er, cratered. |
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