[RL] US 'plans stealth shark spies', no...I'm not joking... |
[RL] US 'plans stealth shark spies', no...I'm not joking... |
Mar 3 2006, 07:37 AM
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Street Doc Group: Admin Posts: 3,508 Joined: 2-March 04 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 6,114 |
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Mar 3 2006, 09:04 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
The poor sharks. Its just being nasty.
On a more practical note considering there primary aim is stealth recon and radio signals don’t penetrate water how are they going to receive data from the shark. That can sent sonar to it if they don’t mind giving away the position of the transmitters (probably going to have to put on the bottom of a boat, 300km means you need a lot if you want to cover the pacific) but sending signals back that way would give away the sharks position (and what you are using it for). Edward |
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Mar 3 2006, 09:11 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
They probably have the sharks on a one way link that says something like "Go to these GPS coordinates, record, return to these coordinates, and transmit."
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Mar 3 2006, 09:12 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
In my opinion this is sick. Using an animal as a mere robot.. :dead:
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Mar 3 2006, 09:19 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
What is the equivalent in SR? Snake eyes system?
And they're not robots. It's just that we have electrodes hooked up to their brains. |
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Mar 3 2006, 09:28 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
I would guess that the shark control computer would have an inertial navigation system. The spy shark would be deployed by a submarine, the shark would swim to the area to be examined, then swim back to the sub for pickup, where the mission data would be organized.
I guess it would also be possible to add a small sat radio bouy to the shark (if you could get if small enough), that would be released if the shark 'saw' something that was time critical. |
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Mar 3 2006, 09:30 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
It is sick. The easy wayto set it up subverts the sharks motor control, not decision making.
Shark brain log Fish detected Move towards fish TURN LEFT Why am I turning from my fish I was hungry, I saw a tasty fish, SWIM FAST I want to go to the fish, why is my tale doing that, I didn’t want my tale to do that. Large high electrical emanation, high regular sound emanating object to the right Threat assessment----high Turn left TURN RIGHT Swim fast SWIM SLOW I’m scared, im slowly moving around something I can’t eat that will probably eat me and my body won’t do as I tell it and my head itches Panic--- SWIM CARMLY Mental panic. Again being practical GPS uses radio signals so you cant use it under water. Edward |
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Mar 3 2006, 09:43 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
The bottom line here is that you can sent people to do that job, or sharks. As this job may involved getting blown up, and the sharks don't vote, who do you think is going to end up going?
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Mar 3 2006, 10:25 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
Also, sharks aren't smart enough to think like that example.
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Mar 3 2006, 10:34 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
Actually that is not the point. Remote controlling a living being is unethical.
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Mar 3 2006, 11:39 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
True, I was being overly dramatic but the principal is sound There smart enough to poses the four Fs. Flight, flight, feed, fuck. Whenever the actions commanded are in direct opposition to the dominant one of those a fear response will be initiated that will manifest as there fight or flight, probably no stronger than the initial reaction so not a problem, unless the initial instinct was flight, if this is the case the inability to flee with increase the strength of response, all you need to do to see this is watch any animal unable to escape a predator, the tactics attempted get more and more desperate often to the point where the prey takes suicidal action trying to escape or dies due to the stress (heart failure due to to high a demand/high adrenilin levels) I have seen fish come close to this state before I removed them to a safe environment (tank of there own) so don’t tell me a shark cant experience it Edward Edit, it let me say fuck????? |
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Mar 3 2006, 11:59 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Tell that to Deus... edit: I know, I know, but it just sounded good when I was typing it up, lack of sleep is what I'll blame it on. :-P Anyway, this reminds me of the work they're doing on cockroaches, I don't think people care nearly as much for bugs. Rats... well, they may be cuddly enough to some to warrant protesting against such use. Still, interesting stuff. |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
In fact the manipulation of cockroaches is as scary as this.
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Mar 3 2006, 04:26 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
The latest in a long line of strange animals used for military purposes. In the 80's there were Dolphins traind to patrol and demine harbors, in WWII there was a plan to build a smart incendiary bomb using bats.
OK I watch way to much History Channel (but the weird weapons of WWII shows are pretty interesting) |
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Mar 3 2006, 05:11 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Welcome to the Big Persons' |
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Mar 3 2006, 05:15 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i just don't see the point of worrying about the ethical treatment of sharks, when we still haven't mastered the ethical treatment of people.
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Mar 3 2006, 06:10 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
ethical treatment? bah, one might argue that people are overpopulated and we need to cull the herd. :evil:
(and if you're wondering, I'm joking) |
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Mar 3 2006, 06:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 24-August 02 From: Magna, Ute Nation Member No.: 3,166 |
Your argument is moot. The article from the unnamed "British Magazine" isn't true. The US isn't planning on using "stealth sharks".
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Mar 3 2006, 06:19 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Come on now, you can't just pop into a thread, say "The BBC is lying to you" and leave without at least linking a source.
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Mar 3 2006, 06:34 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
it wasn't unnamed. it says several times that the article was in The New Scientist.
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Mar 3 2006, 06:37 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Here's a link to the original New Scientist article:
Stealth Sharks |
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Mar 3 2006, 06:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 20-December 05 Member No.: 8,088 |
So... do they have Frickin' Lasers on their heads?!?
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Mar 3 2006, 07:11 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
No that option is only available on extremely vicious Pike |
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Mar 3 2006, 10:46 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Who cares about sharks, anyway? They're nasty and vicious. I say we turn 'em all into Sharkpedos! :)
No really. I just could not give any less of a damn. They're sharks. IDGARA about what happens to them. When they start using dolphins, then I'll be pissed. |
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Mar 3 2006, 11:06 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
right. because dolphins would never hurt a living soul.
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