Keeping Your Cherry Blossom Storm Quiet.., Can the Sakura Fubuki be silenced? Options

[Feyd-47]

*Posted this in the main Shadowrun area, got told it would probably do better here, so, here we go.*

OK, a newby friend of my GM's has recently built a character (we've only just got rid of the crane ) that carries two Sakura Fubuki pistols, of which both are silenced. Now, my GM has, quite rightly, asked him to buy four suppressors per pistol for it to be silenced.

This is fine from a purely games rule perspective, as no where have i seen that the Sakura Fubuki pistol cannot have barrel mounts of any kind, but i have to ask, does anyone else find this slightly unrealistic?

It does, i suppose, depend on how the gun works. Personally i assume it runs off todays Metal Storm technology and that it works by firing one round from each barrel sequentially, thus giving it such a high rate of fire with as little recoil as it suffers from. My two major questions about this are thus:

1) Does each barrel, being close together, have enough space to accomodate a silencer/suppressor without fouling the muzzle of it's adjacent barrels?

2) if this four barrelled beast fires the way i've described and can fit the necessary silencing device to it, surely, because each barrel only deals with one bullet at a time, only a silencer is necessary, not a much bigger, therefore more prone to adjacent muzzle fouling, suppressor?

It's an interesting quandry that i'm unsure was considered when the weapon was introduced into SR4. Personally, i don't believe that you should be able to fit a silencer/suppressor to the weapon as i'm sure that it would foul adjacent muzzles, not to mention, with the weapon being a breach-loader, it would make the already cumbersome job of reloading a nightmare in a combat situation.

Your thoughts please, ladies and gentlemen?

[Brahm]

Use the Search function to look for "Fubuki". All that and much, much more has been discussed in length.

[Azralon]

In brief:

Each muzzle also serves as a clip of sorts, so reloading would also require migrating a silencer from one muzzle to the new loaded one. Either that or each of your preloaded muzzles would be carried with their own dedicated silencer, which has its own obvious concealment/misalignment problems.

So, could it be done? Probably. It'd be damn inconvenient at the least.

[Dissonance]

I imagine the cheapest and most feasable way to silence such a weapon would be to use that spell, Silence, if it's still in the game.

Barring that, switch to the AVS.

[neko128]

[Lagomorph]

[neko128]

[hobgoblin]

hmm, would be interesting if you could quicken a non-area silence spell on the gun :P

[Akimbo]

Honestly, there isn't a single person who uses the Sakura Fubuki in our games. We houseruled that it was a lot bigger concealability-wise than the book suggests. As a matter of fact, we almost never see anyone with automatic weapons on the sheer fact that it's still going to make a hell of a lot of noise suppressed.

I can easily see the weapon supporting a suppressor, but it really isn't going to do the user a whole lot of good. If you're looking for stealth, pick up a light or a holdout pistol.

[Johnnycache]

Well if you made it bigger and less concealable, why would anybody take it?

[hobgoblin]

hunting vampires in the z-zones...

[Johnnycache]

man reading those old threads hurt my soul.

Thoughts:

Metalstorm type weapons, the barrel is manufactured with the ammo in it. You don't reload the barrels - you discard them. The trade off for this is no brass all over. I interpret the rules for reloading it to mean that you change

I don't think the weapon could be loaded with more then two different types of ammo without boning up the rate of fire of a single type.

Silencing: I just don't see how it would work with a regular silencer. Some kind of sci-fi one not availible, maybe.

Recoil: The thing has one point inhearent and a stock if you're in deep - isn't tha enough?

Balance: It's no more powerful then a heavy pistol. I'd let somebody take it.

ex-ex and gel rounds: I would say overpowered and nonlethal ammo could be made for the gun, even if they didn't perfectly correspond to the equivilent ammo for other guns.

[Akimbo]

[Johnnycache]

[Zeitgeist]

The SF has no penalties for burst fire, raising it up to 7P, and if it's smartlinked, you can fire it again sans the SA recoil penalties. Combine that with the 40 ammo capacity, and it's damned appealing. The silencer issue is what's keeping me away from it, but my GM is considering having our gunmonkey work on putting together four silencers and rigging it up to a mount that folds onto the side of the gun. Concealability is always an issue with a gun the size of a large brick, so I'm pretty sure that a concilable holster, or even a quick-draw holster would be off limits.

[Johnnycache]

[Shrike30]

Also, since the burst fire doesn't add to the DV until after you check armor, this thing's less likely to penetrate body armor than a heavy pistol. And it uses the (shorter) light pistol ranges.

[Endgame50]

Not to mention the thing only has one net power over the predator if it bursts, but takes 4x as long to reload and has one less AP. When you take into account 3x the ammo usage, it becomes less of a big deal--standard ammo is cheap, but EX Explosive is 10 nuyen per round. It adds up pretty quickly when it does come up. (3 rounds/shot x ~6 shots / turn = ~ 180 nuyen / turn).

[Akimbo]

[hobgoblin]

[hobgoblin]

[Endgame50]

[nick012000]

Also, if you don't like the stock, just ask the GM if you can get a SR3-style Personalised Grip on yours instead. Same effect, rules wise. The only real change is the fluff of how it looks.

[Azralon]

Any viable handgun with four barrels AND a folding stock is not going to be very concealable.

Still, the Fubuki is a lot of fun.

[Shrike30]

The gun doesn't have a slide or, hell, many moving parts at all. I'm sure that'd cut down on some of the thickness-related bulk. The design also makes it more paperback-book shaped than gun shaped. Put something like that in a shoulder holster or one of those funky inverted pancakes and you really shouldn't have much trouble. It's the inner-pants or crossdraw holsters that the funky shape screws with.