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 Goblinization, How does your GM interpret it? |
 Oct 7 2003, 01:52 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 714 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .nl Member No.: 116  |
I wouldn't put it past him. ;)
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Oct 7 2003, 03:14 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
Naw, I can see him totally blitzed out of his mind running around a Renaissance Fair with his sword from the Harlequin adventure asking the paper mache dragon how Dark Tooth is doing.
Compared to the 4th World, we live in boring times. An IE would have precious little to entertain himself with, which is how I've always pictured Laughing Man...not taking anything seriously just because he's so friggin' BORED with it all. The Abstruse One |
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Oct 7 2003, 09:52 PM
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I've never been a canon monster but in my shadowrun meta's kept happening. I put the entire world on a cycle magic gradually increases and then gradually decreases. As the magic increases you pass power levels that cause people to meta and new types of meta to come about as the magic got higher and higher. When I ran my game it was immediately after the second goblinization with some pcs being level 1 metas and some being level 2 metas (the altered priority system I had allowed for purchasing meta 1 or meta 2 with a list creatures of both.) Metaing took about 1 to 2 weeks depending on the change. It was kind of like puberty growth spurts combined with a very slow version of the Werewolf change in an American Werewolf in London and enormous hunger around the spurts and spasms. Behind the scenes I had a mental picture of what caused goblinization and why someone would meta as the magic increased. I had it connected to the amount of meta ancestry someone had and what types. It was technically possible for a person to meta into a Troll 1, be there for 20-25 years and then meta into an Elf 2. Though it was also possible for someone to meta straight up the chart elf 1, elf 2, elf 3. It was also for someone to be human for goblinization 1 and 2 but then meta into a sprite for meta 3. As the metaed they became less and less humanity and more and more "other". As the magic in the really long cycle had decreased the metas became more and more human and moved into the human worlds until it was all but forgotten. There were some rumors about certain meta's managing to stay as they were. Vampires lived on the life essences of others and absorbed just enough power to stay immortal but very little else until the magic came back (few survived the entire low magic cycle). Psychics caught glimpses of the magic power. Elves and some other fae took a city to another side dimension to preserve their immortality until the magic returned. Any thoughts. |
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Oct 8 2003, 05:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 287 Joined: 28-March 03 From: In the middle of the SOX Member No.: 4,350 |
One of the reasons why Goblinisation has to happen after birth to remain remotely believable is size.
Quite simply, while a human woman can give birth to an elven or dwarven baby, birthing a fully grown ork baby would be . . . unpleasant, as well as risky, it's flatly inconceivable for a troll fetus to reach maturity inside a human womb. If it somehow did, even Caesarian section might not save the mother's life. A normal birth would not be survivable for either mother or child. |
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Oct 8 2003, 05:12 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Fully grown? Well, of course that wouldn't work.
As for birthing, are the relative sizes what they are later at birth, or (as I've been assuming) is it just that orks and trolls grow more afterwards? ~J |
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Oct 8 2003, 09:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 714 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .nl Member No.: 116 |
From what I've understand from discussions with some of the developers, it's very uncommon in 2060 for women to give birth to children outside of their own meta-group. Apparently, while it happened during the turbulent years after the first and second wave of UGE, where a lot of women had to give birth by cesarean section, but now it's stabalised more to the point where meta-humans get born to their own meta-human group.
I also recall a little stat on what the chances were for which kind of child when a child was born from two differing meta-humans. |
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Oct 8 2003, 01:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 348 Joined: 20-June 03 Member No.: 4,782 |
Since when are all elfs cute and thin? Didn't you ever see a fat elf, or an ugly faced dandelion eater before? |
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Oct 8 2003, 01:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470 |
Yeah, but they have to work at it. They get that +2 to charisma because they're so damn cute. so even a basic charisma of 1, gets the extra 2 points and they are at worst human average.
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Oct 8 2003, 03:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 26-July 03 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 5,029 |
Y'know, I'm willing to bet that in North America and Europe, where birth control is cheap and abundant, a whole lot of women refused to let themselves get pregnant right around that time. Two good friends of mine recently went through cesareans (with human babies AFAIK) and the horror stories of needing 40, 50 stitches over gashes longer than your palm (from you-know-where to you-know-where-else) are enough to make the most maternally-inclined woman swear off child rearing for life. Can you imagine what would happen the first time some news show or medical website showed a clip of a human woman giving birth to an 18-pound Troll child? There'd be a wave--hell, a tsunami--of abortions and condoms would fly off the shelves. Depending on how widespread the information on genetic expression was, it might even have set off a statistically significant decline in birth rates. Heck, it might STILL be affecting birth rates in 2060; the average person probably doesn't understand UGE very well anyway... |
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Oct 8 2003, 04:33 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Dunno; no one I've known who had a cesarean section complained that the experience was particularly unpleasant, at least as compared to the very long labor they'd been in previously.
~J |
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Oct 8 2003, 05:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 714 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .nl Member No.: 116 |
Caesarian cuts go across, not up and down. But then again, 80% of the women giving birth rip the entrance to their vagina during labour, and that's with normal sized human children. |
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Oct 8 2003, 05:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 26-July 03 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 5,029 |
Okay, I'll just use a little spoiler tag here, in case anyone's squeamish. Don't click it if you're in any way grossed out by body stuff. [ Spoiler ]
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Oct 8 2003, 06:19 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Given that most babies are born toothless, I'd say that they probably wouldn't have tusks at birth. Probably the same with horns.
As for the cut you describe, yes, that would be horribly unpleasant. However, that's not what a C-Section is. ~J |
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Oct 8 2003, 06:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 18-August 03 Member No.: 5,513 |
@Velocity
Your spoiler describes an episiotomy, not a c-section. Huge difference between the two. :eek: |
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Oct 8 2003, 06:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 714 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .nl Member No.: 116 |
Yeah, I was just going to say! :) |
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Oct 8 2003, 07:10 PM
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say an elf and a troll somehow get together and have a kid. How do GMs or players handle what is going to be born...
right now one of my ork characters is in a serious relation ship with a spirit... dont ask... Just vote him for mayor (Pully-wup or however its spelled) when you see him on the ballot (Robert Paige). My point is not all kids have the same meta parents. No one in SR ever talks about "Half" beings (half-elfs, half-orks, half-trolls, etc etc) so... is it a 50/50 chance of what they become? |
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Oct 8 2003, 07:14 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Bob Paige? Have you been playing too much Deus Ex recently?
As for your question, there are rules somewhere (SOTA 2063, I believe). ~J |
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Oct 8 2003, 07:19 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,175 |
No. He's actually the ork who got the ork language (Tagaru) from D's will. Which he's trying to translate.
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Oct 8 2003, 07:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
IIRC, it's more like a ladder system: Troll orc Elf/Dwarf Human where the baby is almost always the metatype of the parent highest on the list. (BTW, last I heard, c-sections are located in the lower abdomen, and are usually vertical cuts nowadays, since NOT slicing the vertically-oriented muscles in half means it tends to heal better & faster.) |
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Oct 8 2003, 07:43 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,175 |
so elf and dwarf is a 50/50 chance?
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Oct 8 2003, 07:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
more like 60/40...favoring the mother's metatype...but it's been a while since I've seen the numbers.
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Oct 8 2003, 08:09 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
I thought I had read somewhere that it was always the mothers metatype... I could be talking out my ass though.
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Oct 8 2003, 09:00 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
There are no numbers, there is no "ladder." Where in Ghost's name do ou people find this information? It's not in the books, I should know.
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Oct 8 2003, 09:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
Then you should read a little more carefully - I know the writeup for giants in the SR Comp (vsn 1, at least) definitely mentioned the rate that normal humans were born to giant-metatype mothers.
I'm reasonably certain there was discussion (in the shadowtalk posts, maybe?) in one or more of the other books about which metatypes were more probable given mixed parentage...though no specific percentages were mentioned. And admittedly, I'm working off half-remembered (if that) text - since I'm not GM'ing a game, it isn't something I've needed to know. |
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Oct 8 2003, 10:20 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
I seriously need to take a break from these baords...I feel like a broken record.
One more time: go. read. the. relevant. page. on. my. site |
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