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Oct 7 2003, 05:23 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 369 Joined: 1-September 03 From: New York State Member No.: 5,563 |
Just looking for flavor here. Any one know if there are any names associated with rank in the Yakuza other than Oyabun, Wakagashira? What does kobun meen? I think it just meens soldier but am courious any way.
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Oct 7 2003, 05:43 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 714 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .nl Member No.: 116 |
Gumi: Yakuza Syndicate
Rengo: Alliance of Gumi Oyabun: Clan or Syndicate Head Wakagashira: Second in Command Wakagashira-hosa: Assistant to the Wakagashira Kumi-in: Made men Komon: Advisors Shingiin: Counselors Hisho: Secretaries Kaikei: Accountants Kobun, as any Google would've revealed, is soldier. |
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Oct 7 2003, 06:16 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 369 Joined: 1-September 03 From: New York State Member No.: 5,563 |
Thanks. Next question are these just the standard japanese words for these positions or are they "slang"
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Oct 7 2003, 07:00 PM
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
Those are more or less the terms I've seen used in every bit of fiction I've ever read about the yakuza (including a few manga from Japan), so I'd guess those are what they're called. I believe the Underworld Sourcebook (not to be confused with Shadows of the Underworld) has a detailed breakdown of the yakuza's system of ranks including a tree.
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Oct 7 2003, 08:02 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 714 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .nl Member No.: 116 |
I took the names and translations from the Underworld Sourcebook.
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Oct 7 2003, 09:43 PM
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,311 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 2,062 |
Also, an Oyabun is not necessarily the boss, and a kobun not necessarily the foot soldier. In actuality, each member, when they become Yakuza, get an Oyabun- someone who is in charge of them and their training, making sure they do well. The position is much like that of a big brother or father in the organization. The kobun is kobun to that oyabun for life. There are stories (real world) of leaders of gumi or rengo (used not quite, but almost interchangably) doing petty chores or errands for their oyabun, who at that point is usually either retired or still leading a gumi or rengo of their own. But in either case, they are usually something like 60 and 80, respectivly. So, unfortunatly, it's not really an indication of rank when one calls another 'oyabun'. Yes, I'm a Great Big Dork, but I'm a Great Big Dork that has a section of his shelf dedicated to books on the Yakuza. |
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Oct 8 2003, 07:10 AM
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
If you know anything about Japanese culture, this idea is previlent outside the Yakuza in Japanese society in general, but not the "for life" part. Instead of "kobun" and "oyaban", it's "kohai" and "sempai". The film and book Rising Sun by Michael Crighton does a good job of describing it but a horrible job of showing it. Basically the sempai is expected to guide and aide the kohai and the kohai is expected to help the sempai and show him/her respect.
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Oct 8 2003, 09:07 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 714 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .nl Member No.: 116 |
Read The Enigma of Japanese Power by Karel van Wolferen on power, and the way it is excercised in Japanese society. It's a tough read, but very insightful for westerners.
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Oct 8 2003, 04:28 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 752 |
don't forget the un-made men, the Chinpira or "little pricks"
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