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 Mar 28 2006, 09:01 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 13-November 05 Member No.: 7,958  |
One for the movie/gun fans
I saw this cheesy movie a while ago where robbers attack a ship at sea and everyone gets eaten by giant leech things. The mercs have these cool looking guns, like a large smg, but with 4 barrels, almost like a tiny minigun. They may just be made up. Dont remember the name of the movie or the gun. any ideas? Juz |
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Mar 28 2006, 09:35 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 385 |
Yup Edit:Found the script "Gentlemen. Say hello to the Chinese... M -L triple-pulse assault rifle. Rotating barrel, thousand-round capacity. - Auto cooling, watertight." One movie weapon thats really high on the "Stupid" list. |
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Mar 28 2006, 11:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 176 Joined: 7-September 05 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 7,706 |
"stupid" list?
you mean to tell me you don't own the real life gun that was based on? the difference being the round capacity... the RL gun only has a 999 round capacity, but other than that it's spot on... water tight and self-cooling The Mk I wasn't water tight but it was self-cooling. Oh, and they forgot about the built in laser sight |
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Mar 28 2006, 11:20 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
At IMDB...
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Mar 28 2006, 09:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 470 Joined: 2-January 05 From: Quebec Member No.: 6,924 |
It's a thousand rounds if you put one in the chamber. |
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Mar 29 2006, 12:50 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 13-November 05 Member No.: 7,958 |
Thanks for that, i knew i didnt make it up :-) Shame they are not real. I think i'm gonna have my runners go search for a stolen case of the weapons, field prototypes which falls into the hands of a nasty gang :-)
Guess i'll have to make up some mouth watering stats bafore i introduce the fatal design flaws :D Juz |
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Mar 29 2006, 02:05 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
No, it's 101 rounds with one in the chamber. There's no 999 round mag for the Calico. It would be rediculously huge and heavy. 1,000 rounds of 9x19mm ball weighs about 25 pounds. 1,000 rounds of .22 LR weighs about 7.6 pounds. |
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Mar 29 2006, 02:28 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
There's no 999 mag for a lot of guns.
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Mar 29 2006, 02:40 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Yeah. Excluding vehicle mounted guns, pretty much all of them.
The Calico does have a particularly space-efficient, high-capacity magazine though. 100 rounds is a lot. 1,000 is just plain rediculous, especially so for an SMG-class firearm. |
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Mar 29 2006, 03:36 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
That's a gun you can load once and shoot through a whole Rambo movie. :)
More Runners need Calicos with APDS. |
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Mar 29 2006, 04:20 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Isnt there an assault rifle that uses a helical (or how ever a helix style is called) mag?
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Mar 29 2006, 08:22 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
In the game, yes. The HVAR (as well as the HVLMG and Ingram SuperMach) appears to use a helical mag. There my be more.
IRL, no. It becomes a case of deminishing returns in regard to the capacity advantage when the cartridge length gets beyond about 3.5-4 times the diameter. Then a drum or dual drum, like the C-Mag, is likely a better option. |
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Mar 29 2006, 08:32 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Based on the stats, or on a picture I have thus far failed to discover? ~J |
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Mar 29 2006, 09:10 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Pictures in Fields Of Fire as well as their respective 50, 80, and 60-round capacities. However, chalk it up to fuzzy memory: The pictures of the HV weapons appear to show a top-mounted box mag similar to the G11 (cartridge stored 90° from the bore axis), rather than a helical feed magazine like the Calico. The SuperMach pic definitely shows a helical feed mag.
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Mar 29 2006, 10:18 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
From what I remember of the HV weapon pics, it looked like the HVAR family had helical mags, but the mags were 'reversed' so that they didn't hang off the back like the calico's mag does. Of course almost all of the gun picutres in SR artwork are crap (like not having enough room behind the bolt for the bolt to fully retract). Would it hurt to look at a 'how stuff works' before trying to draw guns?
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Mar 29 2006, 10:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 637 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,528 |
Ah, that's not exactly true. During my army time I had a 1000rnd magazin for my MG-3. It was self-deploying and resonably smart. Commonly known as a Gunner-2 :=) Now the one weapon from that film I WOULD like to own was the boat used by the "Hero". Ever since seeing "McHales Navy" and the old John Wayne Flick I consider PT-Boats the second best thing in the class. |
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Mar 29 2006, 11:23 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
A 1000-round belt box? Did it have separated compartments, or a single volume for the whole 50-pound, >60-foot belt to go back and forth in? Any particular reason they didn't just give you 4 250-round boxes?
Anyway, real men use 4400 round belts. Weighs less than 300lbs and fits nicely on the back of a cybertroll. |
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Mar 29 2006, 08:43 PM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Nah, they're both pretty obviously supposed to be modeled after the G11 magazine, with the rounds stored vertically and a rotating chamber that feeds from below the mag and rotates the rounds inline with the barrel. The HVAR does feed at the rear end of the rifle (mag inserted from the front, just like the G11), whereas the HVLMG is reversed (mag inserted from the rear). On both guns, below the point where the rounds would feed into the rotating chamber, there's what appears to be a folding handle, quite obviously in reference to the G11, where the user would manually rotate the chamber to load a round. However, seeing that the HV weapons are supposed to have multiple barrels, this system wouldn't work and a helical mag would be a much better choice. Wish I had a scanner.
I put the "pretty much" there to cover any oddities I might not have been aware of, this being a prime example. Obviously, what you're talking about isn't the kind of magazine you attach to the gun and run around with. It's a storage device for belted ammunition, and weighing as much as it would, one that I seriously doubt you'd be taking with you on a long hike, or dragging with you into some kind of urban operation, except maybe in the rear. You have 120-round boxes for that kind of thing. I'm sure it's intended to be used in vehicles or static emplacements. I'd love to see more about it, if you can find some info. I'm not having any luck. |
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Mar 29 2006, 08:49 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Maybe I'm an idiot, but I think Birdy's "1000 round magazine" is another person who's b*tch-work it is to lug around the ammo. At least, that's what I read out of "self-deploying and reasonably smart"
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Mar 29 2006, 09:09 PM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
That's a possibility. What I don't understand is the utility of one guy hauling 1,000 rounds on his back in one box. Tactically speaking, we'd have to be be taking some liberties with the term "reasonably smart" if that's how it's done normally.
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Mar 29 2006, 10:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 637 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,528 |
Actually, that is what we used :D I thought the "Gunner-2" (Schütze-2) comment was clear :( The guy was 170cm heigh and about as wide, all muscles. So during an exercise he wanted to make really sure we won't run out of ammo. So he bundled up four boxes and lugged them around. I should use more Smileys! Ja, more Smileys. |
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Mar 29 2006, 11:05 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Next time use the wink smile, that might help even more. ;-) I did love the self-deploying and reasonably smart comment and understood that part. But ja, you have to use more smilies to get the effect across. Plus, don't use the smiley with the '=' as the nose since it won't register with the forums and you don't get the actually smiley face picture. |
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Mar 30 2006, 12:18 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Masemune Shirow (Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, etc) uses a huge number of helical magazines in his gun designs.
Then again, the design logic of most of his guns are based on what looks cool, not what would actually work. He himself has said that he only has a rudimentary knowledge on how guns work. -karma |
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Mar 30 2006, 12:35 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
That doesn't make any sense. The vast majority of his Ghost in the Shell designs are least plausible, and some have been very good. He's not entirely responsible for the extremely realistic work in the movies and the series, but even so.
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Mar 30 2006, 12:43 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
That explains much. :) |
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