Swoops for shadow run, Vectored thrust vehicles for everyone. Options

[ShadowDragon8685]

Can you call shots/favors with Aztechnology bigwigs? Free.
Otherwise... I dunno, make something up. For a good starting point, think 1.5x-2x the cost of a comparable groundcar. If you want to make these really elite, I imagine they're only produced in "luxury" versions, so you're gonna have to start with those. If you want to make them brand-new, cutting-edge, beyond-SOTA, then try about 6x or 7x.

[Link]

40,000,000,000 pesos.

On the issue of fuel economy, how many nuyen would a litre of fuel go for in 2050+?
If this expense is figured into lifestyle would a PC need to maintain a sufficient lifestyle if driving vehicles like the dust devil?

As for air traffic control in the sprawl, I imagine a fully automated control system would regulate traffic while a minimum autopilot of 3 or 4 would be required for vehicles. All par for the course by 2050.

[eidolon]

Except that it wasn't/isn't. You could add it to your game of course. It would add another nifty system ala Grid Guide, only for air. You think driving on the ground has a lot of rules and regs. ;)

As far as "picking it apart" and comparing it to trolls: Trolls are obvious fantasy. The "fi" part of the equation. Some of us like a little bit of realism in our Sci and Tech portions.

You don't want to make it remotely believable? Don't. Nobody's forcing you.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Actually, a vector-thrust bike is a hell of a lot more believable than a troll wearing robes doing shamany-things and getting Great Form Force Eight spirits to eradicate entire police squads.

It's a smaller hell of a lot, but not much smaller of a hell of a lot, than the entire concept of corporate extraterritoriality, because all politicians would have to be blind, retarded kittens not to realize the kind of abuses and rampant corporate rampages that would lead to.

So yeah, if I can accept the above, I can sure accept jet-bikes.

[Crusher Bob]

I'd assume the extraterritoriality deal went something like this:

Corp: extraterritoriality?

Politician: Are you kidding?

Corp: :nuyen:

Politician: It would lead to rampant abuse of power!

Corp: :nuyen: :nuyen:

Politician: We'd lose our entire tax base!

Corp: :nuyen: :nuyen: :nuyen:

Politician: And I wouldn't be re-elected!

Corp: :nuyen: :nuyen: :nuyen: :nuyen:

Politician: What a great idea!

[Dranem]

On my public node, I host a BladeRunner module that features the VTOL Skimmer featured in the movie. :)

It's something like 2 million :nuyen: to build, but man is it sweet!

[Foreigner]

Dranem:

Odd.

When I started reading this thread, I had a mental image of the "speeder bikes" in STAR WARS, EPISODE VI: RETURN OF THE JEDI.

Oh, well, to each his or her own, I guess.

;)

--Foreigner

[ShadowDragon8685]

[eidolon]

[ShadowDragon8685]

I think I specifically advised a high price tag, Eidolon.

Do me a favor and read my posts before you blast me.

[fistandantilus4....]

I don't think that he's trying to blast you, jsut present a POV of how it would work in the game world. In the eample if The Island, it's exactly like he said. Someone uskilled plows the friggin thing through a building. Imagine a go-gang with these things. One crash can kill dozens of people. Easily. Especially sincei t's not just going to blow up. It's going to blow up with jet fuel.

That being said, I'm introducing them in my 4th edition game. Very restricted, rich kid play thing . But it's being marketed as a security vehicle to Lone Star, Wolverine, and Knight Errant, as well as Merc groups like Met 2000. Groups like that would be able to get skileld pilots and licenses and be able to fly these things around without so many restrictions. And they would be a hell of a lot more useful. Not to mention that they would be able to afford the costs of fuel and upkeep.

RUnners could certainly use it. But it's defintely the sort of thing that would draw notice. I'd think that for the private user, the requsite high auto pilot rating would do most of the flying within city limits. Sort of like how in R3, the autopilot can be used automatically to aid in crash test, but opposes the driver if they're trying to do something dangerous , like ram acar, while it's active, even if it's not in full control of the vehicle (remember Demolition Man?)

[eidolon]

I'm aware that you suggested jacking up the cost. However, cost is merely one small part of a big "make it work" problem. Note that I'm not saying there's no way to do it, merely that just throwing them in because there cool isn't that way.

In my last post, I was illustrating the difference between the suspension of disbelief when dealing with intrensic parts of the game world, vs. when adding new tech toys that, nominally at least, would have to conform to the "rules" of said world.

You were stating that the existance in the game of a troll performing magic, something that doesn't exist in our world and therefore required suspension of disbelief, was enough justification for swoops, something that could theoretically exist in our world and requires only the supposition that technology has made a few advances at a rate that's reasonably comparative to that of real science.

Magical fiction vs. "hard" sci-fi, as it were. They can and do exist in the same game. That's one of my favorite aspects of SR.

And don't take it personally. It's just acedemic conversation. ;)

[John Campbell]

[fistandantilus4....]