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> Ally spirits, So what did you do with them?
JongWK
post Apr 3 2006, 06:14 PM
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I know that the thread's title is begging for a few jokes, but oh well... :P

It's a bit weird, but in all these years of running SR I've never had a player summon an ally spirit. Now I have one who is saving a large amount of Good Karma for it. I'm guessing Force 4-6.

How did you handle ally spirits in your campaign? If you have any interesting war stories, I'm all ears (er, eyes). :)
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post Apr 3 2006, 06:17 PM
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I had sex with it! After it's been dikoted of course!

Actually, the groups I've been in never saved up for an ally spirit either.
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post Apr 3 2006, 06:21 PM
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One nifty thing to do with your ally spirit is to have them tie your astrally projecting maeg into the teams normal radio communications. The ally is materialized and wears a radio, the mage goes out the astral project, the mage communicates with the ally, who then relays over the radio. Communications from the team are handled the same way.

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post Apr 3 2006, 06:23 PM
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What do ally spirits do? I have SR4, and only SR4, so I of course didn't buy Magic in the Shadows.
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post Apr 3 2006, 06:26 PM
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Handle it in the same way that you handle an NPC that you have fill in when the team is missing something. (for most people this is the token NPC decker) You define the personality yourself. Go through the 20 questions and flush out a personality. The PC invests the karma and the time, but in reality it is your NPC that they create the stats for. The Ally will be thinking of freedom, the degree is up to you, whether they are a cruelly treated slave or yearning for freedom like a teenager/child. They also have the knowledge that they are basically eternal, and have a parent/guide to show them the ropes and can bide their time.
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post Apr 3 2006, 06:27 PM
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They are spirits that can act as a power focus, have instant telepathic communications wtih the summoner, don't have the normal 'services' limitations (or course, they also miss out on several spirit powers too), and tend to be smarter than the average summoned spirit or, at least, more proactively helpful. They cost a huge buttload of karma though, and can cost a point of magic as well, depending on how you summon them.
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post Apr 3 2006, 06:32 PM
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AS for handling the actions of ally spirits in play, the ally spirirt is not an excuse for the GM to screw the summoner. The player just dumped 20-60 karma on the spirit, they should be almost as hard to loose as the same amount of karma sunk into the sorcery skill (or whatever).
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post Apr 3 2006, 06:34 PM
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Haven't tried the sex or dikoting
  • Scout.
  • Relay messages. ("Sorry guys, I'm running for my life at the moment. I'll let you know when I'm back in the area")
  • Save my miserable life with the heal spell I gave it. (Repeatedly)
  • Rescue me from the priests who want to burn me out. (cut me free, distract them long enough for me to take them down)
  • Magical-combat drone. ("Yes, my ally has strength 10, skill 8, and force 5." "Yes, my ally has skill 8 in heavy weapons." and so on)
  • Act like a power focus. (You'd be amazed how helpful force 4-5 allies are in that regard..)
  • Motivate me to not get myself hospital bills. ("Boss, if you get yourself maimed like that again, I'm going to kill you.")
  • Prepare a spare lifestyle for emergency guests (Hide anything valuable elsewhere, for one thing)
  • Data storage and retrieval (Sit at home and take notes, look up things when needed)
  • Help research (Give them the skills, they can dedicate a bunch of time to things too..)

Edit: One of my characters is an aspected conjurer. There are currently 2 allies, with more on the way when I get the karma. Magical equivalent to a rigger.
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post Apr 3 2006, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Apr 3 2006, 02:32 PM)
AS for handling the actions of ally spirits in play, the ally spirirt is not an excuse for the GM to screw the summoner.  The player just dumped 20-60 karma on the spirit,  they should be almost as hard to loose as the same amount of karma sunk into the sorcery skill (or whatever).

Agreed, they are not just something that should be blown off ... treat them as a level 5++++ contact. But you can lose even those if you are a mean enough.
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post Apr 4 2006, 12:52 AM
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Some GMs screw you over with your ally even if you donít treat it badly.

Personally I have never saved the 50+ karma it takes to summon a worthwhile ally. You want to summon it at its final force to get the free physical stats. You want to give it descent sorcery, defiantly at least one language. Probably a bunch of other skills and spells as well. You really should wait until you can spend 100 karma. The problem with that is that the run before you summon it you have 90 karma unspent so your way behind the pace in abilities.

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post Apr 4 2006, 01:06 AM
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QUOTE (Edward)
The problem with that is that the run before you summon it you have 90 karma unspent so your way behind the pace in abilities.

I have yet to have a mage get enough Karma to even think about that. I mostly work on boosting spells or initiating, though one day I would like to get an ally.

I liked the one that the hero had in Burning Bright . . . nice flavor and feel. I doubt my GM would be that cool about it though ;)
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post Apr 4 2006, 01:08 AM
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Which is why Aspected Sorcerers are so good- because you start out with at least 35 spell points to spend on summoning the thing. ;)
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post Apr 4 2006, 01:15 AM
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aspected conjurers ya mean
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post Apr 4 2006, 01:22 AM
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How do you burn someone out?

And how do you screw someone over with his ally spirit in good conscience?
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post Apr 4 2006, 01:40 AM
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Yes. That is indeed what I meant.

Also, for the truly nasty: An Elven Aspected Hermetic Conjurer with 1 million :nuyen: starting resources. Spend the money on a Control Rig, assorted drone-ware (all of which is geased), and lots of drones and summoning materials. You then throw out 8 Force 6 spirits along with a gaggle of drones at your enemies. I call this guy "The Puppetmaster". :P

You're only going to be making the Magical Skill tests in private anyways, so the geasa aren't an issue, and you have loads of awesome minions.
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post Apr 4 2006, 01:54 AM
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Dude... lightning elementals!!!
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post Apr 4 2006, 01:54 AM
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QUOTE (emo samurai)
How do you burn someone out?

And how do you screw someone over with his ally spirit in good conscience?

Tie'em up and enter into a scorching duel.. repeatedly.. with a nicely set up area aspected towards you and with power foci while he's got nothing, and is a magician's way adept.
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post Apr 4 2006, 02:37 AM
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QUOTE (emo samurai)
Dude... lightning elementals!!!

Aren't canon.


Give it the form of you for when you have to be in two places at once. It can act as a decoy on dangerous missions. It can go to the bank and buy groceries when you want to sleep in late. You can date two mundane people at the same time with a minimum amount of juggling.
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post Apr 4 2006, 10:14 AM
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It's a hell of a lot easier to burn someone out by just having 5 or so headware radios installed in him. They only cost like 2000 :nuyen: for the whole deal, and hell, you can have them ripped out later, anyway. Then he's got a huge essense hole and nothing to geas (as I understand it) into.


Your only worry, of course, is that he's going to do something really stupid like bargain with a dragon to get enough magic back to start initiating like a sucker, and come hunting your ass. Or worse, he'll become a cybersammie (if you're lucky) or a decker (if you're not), or a drone rigger (then you're fragged.)
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post Apr 4 2006, 11:16 AM
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Or you can just give your prisoner a smoke and a beer. The SR3 drug rules will then insure that he will be magicless (and dead) in 3 months or less
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post Apr 4 2006, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca)
QUOTE (emo samurai @ Apr 3 2006, 08:54 PM)
Dude... lightning elementals!!!

Aren't canon.

Things that aren't canon haven't stopped Emo before, why stop now?
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post Apr 4 2006, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (Crusher Bob)
Or you can just give your prisoner a smoke and a beer. The SR3 drug rules will then insure that he will be magicless (and dead) in 3 months or less

:D :grinbig: :rotfl:
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post Apr 4 2006, 03:58 PM
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I've never understood why people think you need to dump 100+ karma into an ally spirit to make it worth having. My current character has a force three ally spirit. She cost 15 karma and a geas for the lost point of magic and is incredibly useful in a number of ways.

* Even a force three manabolt can be ugly with her having a six sorcery. Someone with a 3-4 willpower is going to be in a world of hurt if not dead

* A force three heal spell can mean the difference between life and death

* Force three increased reflexes works just fine

* She can scout astrally

* She serves as a super watcher spirit in that she is far more intelligent

* She can capture and hold enemy watcher spirits

* She can serve as a distraction on a run. If she manifests behind a guard and says, "Boo" you can rush them when they turn to face her.

And of course the most important use:

* You can Dikote her and then have sex with her
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post Apr 4 2006, 06:46 PM
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For the longest time, my force 2 ally had been a lifesaver. Literally. Spent I think 15 karma (force 2, couple forms, decent edged weapons skill).

Now, that being said, I've fallen into the dark side and started dumping 50-100 karma into ally spirits, but that's because the game is quite nicely high powered.
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post Apr 4 2006, 09:30 PM
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Is there a way to decrease the karma costs? Can ally spirits gain karma themselves?
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