Trolz R Stoopuhd, and orks are trouble Options

[Kagetenshi]

That's like saying no one likes the KKK. It seems true, but then there's the fact that it never actually goes away...

~J

[IcyCool]

[Crusher Bob]

Of course, the KKK can do the same thing in retaliation... A quick drive-by of ye local orkish kindergarten should do just fine. Hmm, sounds likes like an adventure seed… Humanis Policlub and local gang, in war, politicians and reporters circling like vultures, PCs in the middle.

[AnotherFreakBoy]

But LS would be all over the group that blew up a kindergarten. Even an Ork one.

Attacks again groups of grown people rallying for an unpopular cause would be less thoroughly investigated.

[Lantzer]

Depends. The gang is probably full of SINless. The Rally is probably full of tax-paying citizens. Guess which side the rent-a-Cops will side with.

[Lantzer]

Depends. The gang is probably full of SINless. The Rally is probably full of tax-paying citizens. Guess which side the rent-a-Cops will side with.

[Tanka]

On the note of "Average Lifespan"

This can be explained by a higher metabolism for a larger being. The larger you are, the more energy you need to supply to your body to keep it going. The larger you are, the harder your heart has to pump to push blood to all your extremities. The harder your heart pumps, the more energy it uses, the less energy it saves over time, and the quicker it can lead to some sort of heart failure.

What am I saying? I'll bullet it.

• Larger = more energy required
• More energy required = more energy consumed
• More energy consumed = overall loss of energy
• Overall loss of energy = loss of life (generally)

How many times can you successfully say that you take in an equal amount of energy that you use? How many times can you say you don't take in enough? And how many can you say that you take in too much?

Not only do you use energy in normal "day-to-day things" that you actively do, you use it while digesting, thus taking more energy from you, while sleeping, thus taking more, while eating, moving, thinking, and doing anything you do, thus taking energy.

How much energy would it take to supply a 5'4" human, for example?

How about a 10' troll?

See the difference?

[Nova]

If one race can be stronger/faster/more magical etc... I see no reason why they can't be less/more intelligent.

It is supposed to balance out with overall stat boosts/decreases. If it were not the case then wouldn't everyone play a troll? All the physical perks with no mental disads?

I don't see why mental stuff should be considered more important then physical stuff. If people can be discriminated against because of their low int, they can also be discriminated against because of their low body/str/penis size. I think it may be a little myopic to attribute more importance to intelligence...in fact IRL intelligence is considered "more important" because we don't really have a need for physical stats (apart from physical labor and pro sports), but check around 2000 years ago and ask people if they'd rather have someone clever on their side, or someone big and strong.

In the SR world, physical stats are once again important because of all the conflict...as important as int imho. If you can cope with a +4 STR for trolls, then what's the problem with -2 int, and why is one more important/unfair than the other?

According to meriam webster, racism is:
"a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"

So trolls can feel superior to everyone else based on strength. "Puny humans!" In fact if they were not less intelligent, then SR racism would STILL be valid but in reverse. Trolls would feel (justifiably) superior to all other races cause they get all the bonuses and no negatives. Wouldn't change anything other than which race feels superior.

I have no problem with races being different, and in this case I think the problem is people are saying that intelligence is the only factor for racism which imho is bullshit. Strength/Body/Dex/Penis Size can also factor into racism just as easily, so if we're gonna try and put an end to "justifiable racism" then no one should get ANY stat boosts or negatives, because *whammo* they are now different then everyone else and may have a reason to feel superior.

Since I didn't read all the thread, I may be missing some points here.

Nova

[Person 404]

[Kagetenshi]

Actually, in nature, with a very few exceptions, the larger the animal the larger the lifespan. Compare a dog and an elephant, for instance.

~J

[Tanka]

I'm going between shorter humans and taller humans. Most of the taller humans tend to die at an earlier age due to their heart being put on a harder system of pumps than a shorter person's.

Take Andre the Giant. Died early of heart failure. He was, what, 7', at least?

Now, if you're abnormally tall ("giant"), and another is abnormally short ("midget"), you usually both have the same clinical time to live. Going between the "average" height of anywhere from 5'7" to 6' flat for men, the 6 footers die a tad earlier.

[Tanka]

Oh, and, as for Trolls being stupid as the stereotype, here you go. A Troll Bear Shaman Spellcasting Adept (just the Attribs via SR2 rules).

B: 10 (11 to Ballistics)
Q: 5
S: 9
C: 5
I: 8
W: 7
Init: 4d6+9

Now, had I felt like taking gaesa, I could've grabbed the Level 3 Encephalon and a Cerebral Booster 2 for a mind-number Intelligence of 12. That's twice your "normal" human genius. I could've also done some Edges and Flaws to really spice this guy up. Raise Racial Max (Int), Bonus Attrib Point (Int)... Int up to 9, 13 if I went with gaesa.

Of course, in SR3, if I remember correctly, you can't use magic to effect mental attributes. So, in SR3, he'd still be an Int 8 Troll. There goes that thought, neh?

[Glyph]

Andre the Giant is not a really good example to use when discussing the troll lifespan. Andre was a human suffering from a detrimental medical condition. And people with dwarfism suffer from a shorter lifespan just like people with giantism.