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 Apr 17 2006, 04:01 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 39 Joined: 15-April 06 From: Louisville, Kentucky Member No.: 8,467  |
Pg. 311 says a gas vent can be built into machine pistols, SMG, assault rifles, and machine guns. Pg. 307 says the Hammerli 620s light pistol has an integral gas-vent. Is the Hmmerli an exeption or can pistols be fitted with gas vent systems? If the former, is there any way to get recoil compensation on an Ares Viper Slivergun? |
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Apr 17 2006, 04:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 453 Joined: 15-August 02 From: Kansas City, MO Member No.: 3,116 |
I believe it's simply saying that for purposes of a weaponsmith retrofitting a weapon in-game that only machine pistols and above can accommodate a retrofit because of the space requirements of an aftermarket GV system. I do not believe it is referring in any way to integral gas vents not being possible in smaller weapons. Off-topic: Hey Ryan, this is Brad. Say hey to Aaron for me. He mentioned he was going to be running SR4 sometime soon. Hope you guys have fun! =) |
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Apr 17 2006, 04:45 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 453 Joined: 15-August 02 From: Kansas City, MO Member No.: 3,116 |
Also, to actually address your question... page 301 in the black box on the right mentions...
So, while the Slivergun does have a barrel mount, it appears to be ineligible for a retrofit GV presumably because of it's "small" size and the relatively "large" GV attachment. |
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Apr 17 2006, 04:46 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
This has been argued to death here. Check-out SR4.131 where it excludes Pistols from having gas-venting.
Oversight or not-yet-implemented no one is for sure. |
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Apr 17 2006, 05:36 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,416 Joined: 4-March 06 From: Albuquerque Member No.: 8,334 |
That's odd... I'd expect a pistol to have an underbarrel mount, but be restricted to laser sights... that's the most common place for them in current day anyway...
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Apr 17 2006, 05:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 453 Joined: 15-August 02 From: Kansas City, MO Member No.: 3,116 |
I believe you meant to say SR4.311, not SR4.131. =) As written it doesn't exclude pistols from having integral gas-venting, it just excludes the retrofit. |
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Apr 17 2006, 06:08 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
It doesn't even exclude the retrofit. While it doesn't include light pistols and heavy pistols on the list, that is not an explicit exclusion.
I see no reason why a slivergun shouldn't be able to accept a gas vent 3. |
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Apr 17 2006, 07:30 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
Now I am more confused, lol.
So as I am re-reading SR4.301 sounds like Pistols can have gas venting built-in, but can have it added as a standard barrel mount? I know this has be argued tons already. :( |
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Apr 17 2006, 01:34 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 39 Joined: 15-April 06 From: Louisville, Kentucky Member No.: 8,467 |
Sorry to bring up an old argument, I'm new here and only read back 3 pages worth of topics. At least if a question is asked a lot it might eventually make it into a FAQ :)
I see that you can retrofit an integral smartlink. Can you retrofit an integral gas vent? |
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 Apr 17 2006, 01:48 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,591 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
Not by the rules (unless you change or ignore them).
While - when applying some twisted logic - you could read this as allowing GasVents in the listed weapons, but not - at the same time - disallowing them in other weapons, that's certainly not what they meant, when they wrote this list of weapons, which can accept GasVent systems (the retrofits, built-in versions are included where they are listed, whether a weapon of that class would normally accept a retrofit or not). Bye Thanee |
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Apr 17 2006, 02:03 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 10-April 06 From: Essex, England Member No.: 8,449 |
The Hammerli 620s comes with an integral gas-vent 1 system. this doesn't mean that you can buy it any other gas-vent system, or buy a gas-vent system for any other pistol; it just means that the design of the 620s incorporates it.
The Ingram White Knight has an integral gas-vent 5 system, but this doesn't mean that anything else can have a gas-vent 5. Several weapons have folding stocks, but this doesn't mean that you can buy a folding stock for them. You need to keep the upgrades and upgrade rules seperate from the initial gun specs. |
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Apr 17 2006, 02:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 453 Joined: 15-August 02 From: Kansas City, MO Member No.: 3,116 |
Well of course it is. =) It's an unreasonable burden to list all weapons that something applies to and additionally list all weapons that something DOES NOT apply to. By omitting anything lighter than machine pistols they are saying (explicitly I would argue) that those weapons can not be GV retrofitted. |
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Apr 17 2006, 03:05 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Well, as its been stated, according to the RAW, the answer is no, however, they appearently exist in today's world so our group allows Gas Vent I (We treat it as the same price as Gas Vent II.) on Heavy Pistols, unless said weapon already has a built in Sound Surpression.
However, one way to get RC Comp in a pistol by the RAW is to use a Cyber Gyro. A bit extreme for just a pistol in my opinion, but it would work. |
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Apr 17 2006, 07:44 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
Laser sights can be put on the "barrel" mount in SR4. I'd assume this actually represents being mounted right alongside (or under, in the case of a lot of handguns) the barrel, and would be the logical way to retrofit a laser sight onto a Pistol without using the top mount. |
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