 Ally Spirits, Just how friendly/useful can they be? |
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 Oct 9 2003, 10:18 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 218 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Raleigh/Durham, CAS Member No.: 149  |
:walks into forum. Pulls out a can that doesn't have a lable:
So I'm writin' this story... It's on Strobe's site but I won't advertise where that is... :Pulls out a can opener: Anyway, I did a search on Alley Spirits and found something... :Starts opening can. Slowly. All the while pacing the room: Or rather, didn't find something. See, on the old forums, a bunch of us had this disscustion about just what a mage (or shaman) can and can't do with his/her ally spirit. Eventually (or maybe it was even the original question posted) but it came about to sex. :TK trips, spilling the contents of the can. Worms fly everywhere.: Anyway, one of the characters has an ally spirit that he has a very close relationship with. He wants her to be human and he even plans on setting her free. I know that there is a canon source that a free spirit has fallen in love with a human, but what about in this case? If this sound muddled, let me know, I'll try and clear it up some. |
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Oct 9 2003, 10:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 9-October 03 Member No.: 5,702 |
Didn't the first Shadowrun novel (can't remember the name, it was a trilogy) briefly have a fella with a familiar "girlfriend"? Anybody? Or should I lay down the crack pipe?
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Oct 9 2003, 10:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 218 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Raleigh/Durham, CAS Member No.: 149 |
Nahhh... just pass it over here for a bit.
Recall what the triliogy was named? |
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Oct 9 2003, 11:19 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 9-October 03 Member No.: 5,702 |
Written by Robert Charrette. I think one of the books is called "find your own truth" and another is called "never trust an elf."
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Oct 9 2003, 12:06 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
The Secrets of Power trilogy, "Never Deal with a Dragon", "Choose Your Enemies Carefully", and "Find Your Own Truth". I can't remember much about Secrets of Power, but one of the adventures (I think it was an adventure in one of the "compilation" adventures like Shadows of the Underworld) has a free spirit that falls in love with the mage who summoned him.
The Abstruse One |
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Oct 9 2003, 07:40 PM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
I remember the book, but the title eludes me at present. However, it wasn't an ally, it was a Free spirit Anima who had developed an affection for a mage.
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Oct 9 2003, 09:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
2XS
If the one you're thinking of got flattened by a couple of bug spirits, anyway. |
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Oct 9 2003, 09:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 218 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Raleigh/Durham, CAS Member No.: 149 |
Yes, that was the canon source I reffered too.
Before I go any further, how do I do that little spoiler thingy? |
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Oct 9 2003, 09:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
[ Spoiler ]
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Oct 9 2003, 10:14 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Speaking of bugs, Bug City mentions a Mantis Mother that falls in love with a human. Silly Mantis, humans are for dinner. @,@ |
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Oct 9 2003, 10:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 897 Joined: 26-February 02 From: TIME OUT Member No.: 1,989 |
HA! |
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Oct 9 2003, 10:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 171 Joined: 6-October 03 From: Tempe, Arizona Member No.: 5,692 |
An interesting bit of munchkinism to watch out for:
A free Ally Spirit is a MUCH more powerful being than a bound Ally spirit. One, it gets Spirit Energy. Two, it gets access to new powers that it normally wouldn't. Three, it can cast Sorcery with NO DRAIN. Think about all that for a moment. |
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Oct 9 2003, 11:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 24-November 02 Member No.: 3,638 |
But it's really only munchkinny if the GM allows it to be. The ally doesn't have to stay with the magician once freed.
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Oct 10 2003, 02:08 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 22-July 03 Member No.: 5,013 |
Y'know, I've heard several stories about a magician dating a free spirit, but I've never heard of a magician breaking up with a free spirit. *grin*
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Oct 10 2003, 07:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 218 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Raleigh/Durham, CAS Member No.: 149 |
Yeah, well Johnner's kinda dense so you might see it happen in my universe (not this story but perhaps later on in another story.)
Basicly the Spirit cares for Johnner deeply. But I'm try to get the main character (Drake)'s point of view across. It's something like Incest/Masterbation/something else rolled into one. I mean the spirit's born from you an a sense (that magic point) but it's also an extention of yourself (why the mental stats are the same as the mage). What are other people's views on this? |
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Oct 10 2003, 07:59 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
By UCAS law, none of those matter. They defined marriage as yet another social contract, so as long as both parties meet the legal requirements to be an adult of their species, it is acceptable. At least as far as the law is concerned. As for that guy on the corner, you're probably better off just killing him before he starts talking. |
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Oct 10 2003, 11:01 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: 15-May 03 Member No.: 4,591 |
Greetings.
Relationships with spirits can be...complex. The first issue is the very nature of spirits. Are they independent entities? If so, then the relationships are pretty much the same as with other lifeforms-maybe a bit better. A girl who could take any shape, maybe even change shape, appear and disappear at will-non too shabby. But, if she has a telepathic link to ALL of your thoughts, watch out. If spirits are bits of the Ether imbued with a fragment of the mage's will/personality, then one has to consider the nature of normal relationships before bashing spirit-ual ones. How often do we project qualities on our partner-at-the-time? How often are those qualities actually possessed, as opposed to ferevntly hoped for by us? Don't we often look for partners who are much like us, or ones who are not our opposities but complements? One of the 'Laws of Magik' is (paraphrased): 'Any complex pattern of energy can be considered to be a Person, and should be treated as a Person.' We corporeal beings ARE merely complex patterns of energy (there's really no such thing as 'solid matter', merely virtual particles popping into and out of exsistence in a somewhat stable pattern-look up 'tunneling', it'll blow your mind), and much of our personality (person-hood?) comes from our folks (genetics) and our social interactions and situations (environment). This set-up allows for some crazy, unstable mixes (and people). Do we intentionally pick a partner from a specific social group or with a particualr form, or is it random, catch as catch can? Why not 'make one to order' as with Ally spirits. There are a few groups out there, in RL that actually deal with these issues. And, if you've never been with a succubus, your loss. It's a simple ritual, really... My two nuyen. :evil: |
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Oct 10 2003, 11:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 218 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Raleigh/Durham, CAS Member No.: 149 |
Ok, 1) That scares me. The groups not the Succubus. and 2) I don't thing I'd want to be with a succubus. I've already been down that road. I couldn't truely enjoy her company because I'd be constantly asking myself "What does this 12 or a 10 scale want with ME?" also 3) I'd like to keep my soul/emotions for as long as possible. And when I do give it up I'd like to get the best price available. I guess I'll just contine protrating Ruby (the spirit) as The Fifth Element (as in the character) and Johnner less then receptive towards her feelings. (Does he just not care or does he just not see it?) |
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Oct 10 2003, 03:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
Not sure if this fits with the heading ally spirit but here it goes. True drakes are created in much the same way as an Ally spirit including the sacrifice of a magic point. So what happens when one of them goes free? Are they considered to be living beings and there fore can acquire karma on their own or are they treated like free spirits and must receive donations? If they are treated like free spirits would they have some thing similar to spirit energy? As Big D probably had at least one true drake that he created the possibility does exsist.
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Oct 10 2003, 03:43 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Where was there canon rules for PC drake creation?!?!
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Oct 10 2003, 04:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
The rules for creating PC Drakes are in DOT6W. However PC Drakes are considered to be Breed Drakes (aka racial). True Drakes are created like a Ally Spirit by the Dragon. True Drakes are the Dragons alternate to an Ally Spirit. DOT6W suggests that ST only allow PC to play the weaker (Breeding) type.
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Oct 10 2003, 09:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 654 |
TimeKeeper, how large a RPG community is there on Guam?
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Oct 11 2003, 11:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 9-October 03 Member No.: 5,702 |
I think you're talkin' to it. |
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Oct 11 2003, 05:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
Guess I will have to make a house ruling for my game and declare "true" drakes to be the same as manifested free spirits. It will increase their nastiness factor by allowing them spirit energy but limit them by forcing them to get karma as gifts. As the only sources were such free true drakes could originate would be Big D or the Great Dragon that died in Germany it narrows down the number and personalities.
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Oct 11 2003, 09:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 218 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Raleigh/Durham, CAS Member No.: 149 |
Yeah, A 24-hour nap really does wonders for the system.
As far as I can tell I AM the entire roleplaying community here on guam. (As someone stated.) Although there is a rather large Paintball community (I'll get into that) and there are a couple of hobby stores I have yet to check out. |
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