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 Apr 20 2006, 02:54 AM
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Prime Runner  Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221  |
AE- the S&W is wonderfully accurate, especially loaded with 38 specials. I don't want to mess with that for a little lighter trigger.
For personal defense, yes I have a permitt, I usually carry a .380 Baretta Cheetah or .25 Baretta bobcat (I'm small It's the only thing I can wear with a business suit) With each of those I can mannually cock it but after the first round, the action cocks it without me having to do it again or a DA pressure. The first shot takes a little more pull, after that it's fine |
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Apr 20 2006, 03:07 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 18-April 03 From: The UV Nexus Member No.: 4,474 |
What you call "the statistically insignificant occasional mishap" is what Shadowrun rules call a "glitch". Those never happen on a reloading test. :eek: |
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Apr 20 2006, 04:09 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Wow, now you have to deal with both recoil AND torque effects. Pulls up and hard to the left. Snow, you are one of the reasons I would never be able to mug someone. Cause you never know when that person is skilled in a small arsonal of weapons, and can break your arm in 3 places, all while wearing heels. |
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Apr 20 2006, 04:19 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
This is why you must Know Your GM. Only a particular kind of sadistic bastard would have you blow your own hand off, as opposed to dropping the ammo or some other minor difficulty. :) |
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Apr 20 2006, 02:51 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Hm. Well, not caseless, but now that I think about it, isn't this basically how the Pancor Jackhammer works? Recoil-operated revolving cylinder? -karma |
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Apr 20 2006, 04:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Near my daughters, Lansdale PA Member No.: 6,668 |
She is also a great cook. But I do not think she does anything with knives. |
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Apr 20 2006, 06:57 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Even cut the food she's cooking? I guess she just shoots it into bits? :)
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Apr 20 2006, 07:01 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
guns are helpful household tools. i use mine in place of a remote for the TV.
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Apr 20 2006, 07:01 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Tragically, it only has an "off" button.
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Apr 20 2006, 07:28 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i don't find that tragic in the least.
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Apr 20 2006, 07:36 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
I'm sure your brain appreciates that.
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Apr 20 2006, 07:45 PM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Well, insofar as both would operate full auto and fire from a rotating cylinder, they're basically similar, but that's about it. The method of operation is drastically different. The Jackhammer is actually gas-operated, with the barrel itself acting as a forward-travelling piston which pulls an operating rod with it when fired. The operating rod cocks the striker as well as indexes and locks the magazine in place. In the Mateba, the upper half of the revolver (barrel, cylinder) simply recoils rearward when a shot is fired, pushing the hammer, which is part of the lower assembly, rearward and so cocking it again. When the upper half returns forward, the cylinder is rotated, indexing the next chamber. |
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Apr 20 2006, 08:42 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
There was once a Western called The Rifleman which featured a lever-action Winchester rifle which was modified to fire as soon as it was cocked, eliminating the need to operate the trigger.
This may explain the SA pump action shotguns. At the very least, it provides a justification for modifying SS weapons into SA and looks downright cool on screen. |
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Apr 20 2006, 08:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Near my daughters, Lansdale PA Member No.: 6,668 |
I meant she never refers to knives as weapons. Though if po'ed in her kitchen, she has been known to through produce at the offender until they retreat. |
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Apr 21 2006, 10:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 637 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,528 |
Pitchforks! The most useful household tool is a Pitchfork!
+ You can use it to clean up the stable + You can use it to clean up the bachlor appartment + It make a good "Religious fanatic repellant" Definitly a must have |
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Apr 22 2006, 03:07 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
That was with chuck Conners and it was a neat actuion. he would just work the pump and it went off. but he realy fired from the shoulder so I'd say accuracy was way the hell off. For bolt actions don't underestimate real speed. In 1914 British infantry were required at a mimimum to fire 15 bulls eyes in 1 minute. Firing a .303 SMLE-a bolt action rifle with a 10 round mag. Most were able to fire in exess of that and some were nearly 30 shots. it was called the "mad minute," speed and accuracy, not ust volume. At mons in august 1914 German forces that went head on at these men were stopped cold, survivors reporting they faced massed machine guns, so fast and deadly was the fire form the British lines they couldn't believe it was aimed rifle fire. |
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Apr 22 2006, 05:57 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Well, sort of. The trigger still had to be operated. The rifle on The Rifleman was a Winchester 1892, modified with that distinctive large loop lever. The lever itself had a screw extending through the bottom of the trigger guard so that when the lever was brought fully up and the bolt locked into battery, the screw would hit the trigger, firing the rifle. The screw could be removed, allowing the rifle to operate normally. I understand what you mean, though. As long as the screw was there, all the shooter had to do was swing the lever down and back up again to get a bang. I've thought about buying another lever for my Winchester 94 to see if I could make that work (heh, sweet), but I have so far been unsuccessful in convincing myself to follow through with that. Besides, 30-30 Win is a different beast from 30-20 WCF. Probably would not be much fun to shoot that way. I have an 1892 as well, but I'm not about to mess with it as it's worth a few bucks (thanks to The Rifleman and Cowboy Action shooting).
Obviously, you couldn't accomplish the same thing with a pump action unless you went about it much differently. While modern pump action shotguns are designed specifically to prevent this kind of thing from happening (for safety reasons), some older designs, specifically the Winchester 97, will fire every time the action is racked, so long as you hold down the trigger and have the ammo. Oddly enough, the Winchester 97 is still made in China by Norinco. In fact, they make a right awesome copy of the WWI-era "trench broom". Slap a 1917 Enfield bayonet on there and the boche will run in sheer terror (thought you might like that one, Snow_Fox). ;) |
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Apr 23 2006, 02:53 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
lol, and the boche, who introduced poison gas ot the battle field, made formal complaints to geneva about that weapon.
This thread has made me think. Why would you want an auto-fire revolver? The idea of a revolver is more reliable but slower. autofire would take care of the 'reliable' issue but all that will do it empty the gun faster. Ultimately this was historically proven to be an unacceptable situation. That's why semi-auto's are the norm now. So we're back to where this started. A revolver gives a level of style or if you are not too technical reliability but for most gun folks, semi-auto's would be the weay to go. Personally, although I love my S&W, it is the only fire arm that has ever caused me grief. (though that was not the gun itself but crappy Winchster rounds that the brass warped in the chamber making extraxtion a bitch.) |
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Apr 23 2006, 03:34 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,401 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 6,099 |
Basically I was thinking autorevolver because, to me, it looked cool. Something about the alignment of the barrel to the bottom of the cylinder was kinda cool. I start thinking 'vash the stampede'. Although I don't believe his gun was actually an autorevolver. (Fusion cannon!)
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Apr 23 2006, 03:51 PM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Because it's unusual, thus cool. And that's pretty much as far as it goes. Fashion over function.
Which, as we've seen with the ever-popular Miculek video, is not necessarily the case. Double action revolvers can be operated on par with semi-autos as far as speed is concerned, and are certainly fast enough as far as practical applications go. In fact, there's very little difference between how DA revolvers and DAO autos operate in terms of speed, and there's only a slight advantage with DA/SA autos. Once again, it depends largely on the skill of the shooter.
Especially since the revolver is likely to carry less than half the amount of ammunition that a comparably-sized auto will.
Yep. |
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Apr 23 2006, 07:29 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
Aren't revolvers also less likely to jam? Wouldn't that be a selling point for them?
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Apr 24 2006, 06:31 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Yes, it is.
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Apr 24 2006, 08:08 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,401 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 6,099 |
On a psychological kinda side of things, would you be more afraid (in the SR world I mean, since I'd be scared outta my ass if I had even a fricking hold out pistol pointed at me) of the gunbunny who's doing the john woo doublefisted SA pistol action or the guy who gets the same job done, carting around a 6 shooter? A six shooter he could probably beat you to death with if unloaded.
Maybe its just me, but through my experience in SR, my chars tend to go "why is that guy only carrying one gun?" and spend a little more time worrying about what his stats looks like, than another gunbunny clone :) |
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Apr 24 2006, 08:14 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 18-April 03 From: The UV Nexus Member No.: 4,474 |
Exactly! So why negate that selling point by designing an auto-revolver. So you can have some bling that jams? |
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Apr 24 2006, 08:15 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,401 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 6,099 |
Do autorevolvers have a jamming problem too?
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