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 Apr 30 2006, 03:07 AM
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Prime Runner  Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221  |
.223, what am I missing? That's just a hair larger than a target round and smaller than the .25 beretta I carry as a hold out.
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Apr 30 2006, 03:32 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Oh I was talking chunky salsa via the .50 BMG too... Well, that and crushed wrists. I get strange bruises after 25 rounds from my .25 .
While im no gun nut, the .223 is a good bit longer then a .25 beretta. It being a rifle round and all. |
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Apr 30 2006, 03:52 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
What you're missing is... well, take a look at this. The one on the left is a .22LR. Second from the right is a .223. Caliber isn't everything. (From left to right, that's: .22LR, 9mm (9x19), .40 S&W, .45ACP, .223 Remington (5.56mm NATO), and .308 Winchester (7.62mm NATO). And a AA battery for scale.) |
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Apr 30 2006, 02:27 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
ah, more charge. like the most noticable difference between a .38 and .38 special.
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May 1 2006, 09:00 PM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Well, it really only has one semi-practical use: it's good in grizzly country. Relatively lightweight and easier to carry around than a rifle or shotgun. Muzzle blast will likely scare away most animals and can draw attention of help. Though I think a .454 Casull would work just as well and would be more versatile.
Not Teddy, anyway. He died 16 years before Smith & Wesson introduced the .357 Magnum.
The first shot isn't going to be any different from any other handgun as far as accuracy is concerned. Like JC and Fire Hawk said, it's the precision of any follow-up shots you might need to take that's the problem. I shot the 8" barrel S&W 500 not long after they came out. A friend of mine, who happens to be an FFL dealer, ordered one as soon as he heard about them (needless to say, he has since sold it). Anyway, there's no way around the fact that it makes for a lot of recoil. The slapping-around you get from the muzzle blast is substantial (everyone within a two mile radius ought to be able to figure out what happened, you're definitely going to feel it and after relatively few rounds it becomes a chore; from a short-barreled revolver that's only going to be worse), but even so, the recoil really is not as bad as people tend to make it out to be. I'd even venture to say that most .454 Casull revolvers with heavy loads are going to be perceived as being just as bad in the felt recoil department (higher pressure load, lighter gun). You may be likely to smash your wrist bones into paste after shooting these things every day for years, but you'd have to be pretty friggin' ignorant to hurt yourself with one shot, even with a .500 Mag.
Jeez, I'd say anywhere from .40 S&W and up. I think as far as wounding capacity goes you're likely to get a similar end result from either inside of 50 meters. I think you'd get a much more destructive wound from any .454 Casull load over any .223 load. (But I'm sure you've done your research, so... ;))
Oh, it would be a lot more noticeable than that. Comparing .25 ACP to .223 Remington is something like comparing a unicycle to a Corvette. They just don't do the same thing. ;) |
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May 1 2006, 09:24 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
In this particular case, not really. :P I think I got a bit carried away by how large a cavity you can get with a 62gr JHP at around 2500fps, forgetting about penetration. You're right in that you can probably get a larger permanent cavity beyond 8" with a .40 S&W than with the .223. Heck, you might have serious trouble getting beyond 8" with deforming .223s from such a short barrel, or else you get a wound cavity like this. |
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May 1 2006, 09:36 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 6,099 |
Btw, Would you be able to fire a barrett from a standing position? All the footage I've seen (history channel and the like) show it from prone. But would it be possible to cart it around firing from the hip ala Robocop, or if you gave it a foregrip, shortened the barrel and slapped a good gas vent on it, would it still knock a normal person on their butt if fired like a 'regular' shoulder arm? What about an orc/troll?
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May 1 2006, 09:46 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Oak Ridge, TN, CAS Member No.: 407 |
Sure, but you won't likely be standing after the first shot. It will -at the very least- stagger you, if not topple you over.
EDIT: Orks and trolls might have a better time of it. There's footage of a shortish guy in a firing range (Raygun knows what I'm talking about) firing a round from a (I forget the caliber... .755?) T-Rex rifle. |
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May 1 2006, 09:54 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
By far the most common description of the recoil from a Barrett is that it's like firing a 12-gauge Magnum. The main reason firing a Barrett from the hip doesn't really happen is that when you're talking about a rifle that weighs over 25 pounds, is sometimes bolt action, and going on 5 feet long, shoulder-firing like you would a smaller rifle is ungainly and impractical.
Stick with semiautomatic, chop down the barrel some, and make the brake even bigger, and sure, I could see firing this thing from the shoulder. I'm not going to say it's practical, just that it could be done. |
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May 1 2006, 11:02 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Like Shrike30 said, the recoil is not a problem when firing a Barrett from the shoulder. See this video, for example. There's also one video floating around of someone from the Barrett company firing a full magazine with one of their rifles standing unsupported, with no "staggering" whatsoever.
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May 1 2006, 11:59 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
This is the clip I meant above (realplayer video). At the end of it, 5 rounds are fired with a bolt action M95, which has more felt recoil than the semi-automatic M82, without support, and while it clearly shoves his shoulders back a bit he has absolutely no trouble maintaining his balance.
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May 2 2006, 04:34 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
A good muzzle brake makes all the difference, as the video Aus posted shows. Remove that brake and it will become a lot more difficult to handle (about 140 fpe @ 20 fps; according to Barrett, the brake knocks recoil down by at least 40%).
Orks I don't think would get much of a break, but according to previous calculations found elsewhere in this forum, trolls could likely use .50 BMG HMGs like we use assault rifles.
Transposed there. .577 T-Rex. If you mean the one with the little guy that falls down, he just had no friggin' idea what was going on. Probably never shot a rifle before in his life. There's another video from the same outfit (Accurate Reloading) of a guy firing a .700 Nitro Express, which is quite a bit more powerful. He takes it like a man. .577 T-Rex: 750 grain solid @ 2400 fps = 9591 fpe .700 NE: 1000 grain SP @ 2200 fps = 10746 fpe .50 BMG: 660 grain FMJ @ 2910 fps = 12409 fpe |
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May 2 2006, 04:57 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Oak Ridge, TN, CAS Member No.: 407 |
Thanks, Ray. In the T-Rex vid, I don't remember the guy falling down, exactly, but he did get knocked across the room, iirc.
.577, eh? I have a dyslexic memory, perhaps? |
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May 2 2006, 05:15 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
A .7" bullet? What the hell do you hunt with a .700 NE? Banks?
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May 2 2006, 05:20 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
Trolls.
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May 5 2006, 09:40 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 6,099 |
In game effects, is a muzzle brake covered under the 'gas vent' tech? Would a 'gas vent 3 (or 4 or whatever)' be better than a current day muzzle brake, or are they entirely different concepts?
And, as I'm looking at some pics of earlier OICW type configs, I was wondering, could you take something like shortened barreled barrett and attach a submachinegun/assault rifle under it? Mostly a concept idea, but with the introduction of drones in SR I started to feel having some sorta anti-material gun is useful for a heavy run, or when you're doing one of those after-run meets in the middle of a burned out warzone :P |
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May 5 2006, 10:05 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Yes, and depends. For example, no matter how brilliant your gas venting/compensation/muzzle brake system, IRL you cannot fire a 3-4 round burst with an assault rifle at long ranges with anywhere near the same accuracy as you'd get with a single shot -- direct comparison isn't really possible.
I think you'd be much better off having an attached GL with HEDP grenades. That way you can use a full size assault rifle, if necessary, and still get away with half the size and weight. |
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May 5 2006, 11:47 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Oak Ridge, TN, CAS Member No.: 407 |
The OICW was a somewhat i m p r a c t i c a l idea, given that the thing weighs more (IIRC) than a full-sized M16 with attached M203 40mm GL, under barrel.
There's no point in carrying a briefcase full of bricks that essentially does the same thing as a comparibly lightweight weapon; even an M4/M203 combination (IIRC they're compatible) will basicly do the same job, and it isn't as bulky as that overpriced monstrosity. |
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