 Gas Vents and Suppressors, have your cack and mute it too? |
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 Apr 18 2006, 09:00 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 18-April 06 From: midwest Member No.: 8,478  |
what?! your EX rounds actually explode as well as fragment?..
dammit.. that's the last time i buy my barrel food from Uncle Flugbuzzits. |
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Apr 18 2006, 09:05 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
No, they fragment and explode (which is probably a bit wierd). Again, i am quoting rules, not reality :P.
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Apr 18 2006, 09:08 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Um, "fragment and explode" is the same as "explode as well as fragment."
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Apr 18 2006, 09:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
I'm having trouble imagining anything solid that manages to explode without fragmenting.
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Apr 18 2006, 09:10 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 18-April 06 From: midwest Member No.: 8,478 |
soooo... then fragnades fragment then explode as well?
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Apr 18 2006, 09:11 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Generally speaking, grenades explode. It's how they launch those razor sharp fragments into the air.
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Apr 18 2006, 09:12 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Easy. Plastic explosives. They explode without fragmenting. They just explode. It all turns to fiery death. It has to be covered in nails or metal or something to also fragment.
Most explosives explode without fragmenting. Most explosive devices also fragment. |
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Apr 18 2006, 09:12 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
In my game, EXEXEXEXEX rounds fragment, explode, burn down, fall over, and then sink into the swamp. |
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Apr 18 2006, 09:13 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Yeah, I think we can assume "fragment and explode" isn't meant to say the projectiles first fragment and then explode, but just that they both fragment and explode, in whatever order, when they hit something.
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Apr 18 2006, 09:13 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
@Azralon: HA!
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Apr 18 2006, 09:15 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 18-April 06 From: midwest Member No.: 8,478 |
did i not previously state i would try to be more ignorant? ;)
EX ammo is completely a matter of somantics. explosively fragment would have been acceptable. |
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Apr 18 2006, 09:19 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Exploding and fragmenting would be logical.
Fragmenting and exploding: do the fragments explode or what ? Example: Cluster bombs. They 'fragment', then they explode. A simple bomb explodes and fragments. |
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Apr 18 2006, 09:28 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Butterblume: "and" != "then."
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Apr 18 2006, 09:32 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Clusterbombs "disperse", "dispense" or "eject their submunitions", they are not said to fragment. I can't think of a single example of a solid explosive device designed to fragment first and then detonate, although you certainly could design such a device if you wanted to. Anyway, as was said, the wording is not meant to describe the order in which those terminal effects take place. |
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Apr 18 2006, 09:38 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Didn't i allready admit that i was wrong? ;).
I really think 'and' sometimes implicate a temporal reference, but that might be just my english :D. |
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Apr 18 2006, 09:41 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 18-April 06 From: midwest Member No.: 8,478 |
no no after rereading it, it looked to me as though you were simply pointing out another example of somantics.
note: 'fragment' |
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Apr 18 2006, 09:47 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Normally I don't play the language barrier card, but i have no idea what somantics is ...
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Apr 18 2006, 09:48 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
It's a typo. :)
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Apr 18 2006, 09:52 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Yeah, it can imply temporal relations, but doesn't always.
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Apr 18 2006, 09:53 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Probably a good idea to go back on topic at this point ... is there any way that gas vents and supressors could work together, or is that BS?
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Apr 18 2006, 09:54 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
"By the very definitions of the two pieces of equipment, their effects are mutually exclusive."
Ie. BS. |
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Apr 18 2006, 09:55 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Except for one gun, for which it works perfectly well for some unexplained but legal-within-the-rules reason. ;)
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Apr 18 2006, 10:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Just asking, because a) it's the topic b) my streetsam wants to know ;) I have no idea if there is a way to build a sound supressed gas vent. So, anyone has a source ?. |
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Apr 18 2006, 10:11 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
No, no one has a source. Because you can't do it. You can't do it because the two effects are mutually exclusive.
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Apr 18 2006, 10:12 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Well, i asked for a source that states that this is not possible ...
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