The existence of hitpoints proven, (real life horror, not for squeamish) |
The existence of hitpoints proven, (real life horror, not for squeamish) |
Apr 25 2006, 10:14 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
This is an exerpt from a book on predictive psychology I found from 1997. It has many anecdotes and stories for an easy read. Just for your sick amusement and wonderment I'm typing up a paragraph in it about how a Judas Priest obsessed kid tried to kill himself with a sawn of shotgun but only blew his jaw off and lived for a while afterwards. It just goes to show that even the almighty headshot is not necessarily an instapwn. Sniffle. The way I see it the only way this could have happend was with hitpoints. I just don't see how an unarmored man could take a called shot at power 10+ at base damage S upgraded to D and not go and die. Oh no, D20 wins.
Source: De Becker, Gavin. "The Gift of Fear." Little, Brown, and Company 1998. ISBN 0440226198 |
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Apr 25 2006, 10:20 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Ah, the real-life version of Arseface.
In Shadowrun, one would either call this a last-minute Hand Of God (maybe he failed his Willpower test after listening to Judas Priest but wanted to survive?) or a Glitch on a Called Shot. |
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Apr 25 2006, 10:20 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Hand of God? Anyway, Bizarre magazine had a picture of a British guy with a inoperable brain tumor who decided to blast his brains out with a pistol. Somehow, so the article goes, he managed to blow the tumor out and still lived.
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Apr 25 2006, 10:21 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Sounds more like a critical glitch to me.
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Apr 25 2006, 10:30 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
It didn't say how long he lived after being shot. It is possible that the God simply forgot to use the deadlier overdamage rules so the shot couldn't be staged past D. So long as your stabalized you can sleep off a D wound.
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Apr 25 2006, 10:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
I was going to post about how an article I read for class about "social capital" reminded me of the contacts system in SR, but this is just ghastly. Jesus.
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Apr 25 2006, 10:32 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Have you seen "motorcycle.jpg" (which has nothing to do with motorcycles) at Rotten.Com? vatican.rotten.com is down right now so I can't link to it.
Also there's this guy. |
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Apr 25 2006, 11:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
Yeah, a lot of people survive nail gun accidents with little to no ill effects, because the nails are so thin and the nails shoot in so fast. I once read a newspaper story about a guy who accidently shot himself in the head with a nail gun and didn't even realize it until he went to the dentist for what he thought was a toothache. EDIT: I found "Motorcycle" on Rotten's FAQ page. You'll have to scroll down to see it. |
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Apr 25 2006, 11:18 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
The kid may have been the inspiriation for Arseface; he does predate him by a few years.
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Apr 25 2006, 11:32 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
At this point I'd like to point out to all GMs that characters should not take wound modifiers for severed testicals.
http://www.snopes.com/risque/penile/scrotum.htm |
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Apr 25 2006, 11:58 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
I was reading a book written by an NYPD robbery detective whose name escapes me. One of the incidents he tells of (that drove him to later start developing more effective ammunition than the round-nose .38 FMJ that was the "standard round" for the NYPD at the time) was an encounter between two officers and an armed robber at a store the officers had been staking out (waiting for someone to try and rob it). The officers had already taken off their vests and put their shotguns into cases, and so when the robber turned and fired into one of their chests at a couple of feet, they both emptied their guns into his head, 11 rounds of .38 fired between two carry revolvers.
The robber fell to the floor, and the partner of the officer who'd been shot started looking him over for injuries, but couldn't find any. After a minute, they realized the robber had been armed with a starter's pistol, and started to feel bad about having killed him when he wasn't really armed. At which point the robber sat up, wiped some blood out of his eyes, and coughed, propelling a slug out of his nose, then asked one of them for a handkerchief. None of the slugs had penetrated his skull, simply due to their round nose and the angles they struck at. It made a mess of his skin and hair, but didn't actually penetrate to anything vital. |
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Apr 26 2006, 12:20 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
Good Christ - that's pathetic! Arming the cops with that junk? Jeez. Out of curiosity, when did they replace that ammo? |
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Apr 26 2006, 02:09 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
My understanding is that the NYPD switched from .38 wheelguns to 9mm semiautomatics around 1983-1985. The .38 had been used for decades prior to that.
9mm isn't really a significant upgrade ballistically from .38 Special, you just have the ability to carry 15+ rounds in a semiauto rather than the 6 of most revolvers, and reloading is significantly faster. A lot of police departments have upgraded to (or are considering) .40 S&W for their duty pieces in the last couple of decades, as they feel the need for a more powerful round. |
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Apr 26 2006, 05:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 27-October 05 From: Waterloo, ON Member No.: 7,900 |
Simon's Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets describes a shootout between the FBI and a criminal that ended with the guy having an obscene number of bullets put into him and escaping for a couple of blocks before dying.
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Apr 26 2006, 07:28 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,401 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 6,099 |
Man, its probably a good thing they saw the nails and and didn't yknow, stick him in the MRI machine first. |
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Apr 26 2006, 10:56 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
From a barrel of the same length, it's about 100 more ft-lbs at the muzzle: ~250 vs. ~350 with standard loads from a 4" barrel. Not a huge leap, but perhaps significant. Does the story tell if they were using snubnose revolvers? In any case, that guy was insanely lucky. Even a round-nosed, ~120 grain FMJ at ~800fps should handily penetrate a human skull at a smaller angles of incidence. And the "slug out of his nose" thing is not very credible. :)
That and .45 ACP. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I should note that going from .38 Special FMJs to 9x19mm JHPs is already a huge leap forward in terminal effect. In comparison, going from the latter to .40 S&W JHPs is a rather minor increase in lethality. |
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Apr 26 2006, 03:06 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Mr lucky could do it Logic 2 -1for not skilled in surgery -2 for inappropriate tools... - others for other stuff but we hit long shot territory already *Bang* Mr lucky cures his own cancer with a bullet and because of the seriously funky nautre of something like that gets the spent edge back |
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May 2 2006, 02:06 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 7-April 05 From: Charlottesville, VA, CAS Member No.: 7,303 |
I think that the best description of damage I've ever seen was in a game called Millenium's End. The overall game was pretty good, although it was like Champions in how long it took to create a character and set up a game.
However it was interesting in that it separated the body into about 25 different damage locations (left/right shoulder, left/right chest, head, neck, stomach, groin, etc). The point being that there was only one location in which one could inflict insta-death. Not the head, the neck. Now having said that, as I recall if you inflicted massive trauma to several of the other vital areas your life was measured in seconds, but I always thought it was kind of interesting. Of course, I remember having an argument with a player when I was running a Vampire:The Masquerade game. His vampire got his head blown clean off by a shotgun held at the base of his skull (he was a captive and tried to be a "hero" when he should have just held still). His argument was "the damage wasn't aggravated" (i.e. mystical, fire based, or something like that). My response was simply "Man, I think decapitation is aggravation enough." |
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May 2 2006, 09:09 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
That's the face + neck, not just the neck. That hit location went from about the tops of the eyes down to the ends of the collarbones... :cyber: ME also had pretty good systems for bleening, 'eventually fatal' wounds, limb incapacitation, and more.
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May 2 2006, 11:33 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
This guy (WARNING: there's brains in this picture) looks like he's been shot above the eyes, and I think we can safely say that his wound was instantly fatal.
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May 2 2006, 11:51 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
That was with a 50Cal sniper rifle from a mile away, if the stories are right. Heh, hate to be someone nearby cause you would have greymatter all over the place.
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May 2 2006, 12:37 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
If it's a very long range shot, then it probably is from a .50 BMG, which makes it one hell of a lucky shot. From within a few hundred meters, a single 7.62x51mm FMJ should be capable of that effect. As should any rifle caliber bullet within that range if it yaws right after impact.
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May 2 2006, 03:23 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Can we please not link to Rotten.com? Sure, the description of the thread says "not for the squeamish", but a lot of those photos are NSFW in any case.
At least put a gore warning or somesuch for those who can't afford to be caught looking at such pictures. |
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May 2 2006, 03:56 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 7-April 05 From: Charlottesville, VA, CAS Member No.: 7,303 |
Thanks for the clarification Crusher Bob. I didn't have the book in front of me at the time.
I still don't have the book near me (maybe I'll grab it this evening and look at it again), but it may have been that the top of the head also had an eventual "insta-death" result. If it did though, it wasn't as "easy" as the neck region. Now mind you, from what I recall of the system, I expect a major trauma to the top of the head would give you almost no time to live, and you'd be unable to do anything due to shock (or some mechanic like that) for that remaining time. |
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May 2 2006, 11:09 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
I believe the NYPD loads 9mm JHP now. Meaty mushrooms all the way. |
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