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stevebugge
post Apr 27 2006, 10:27 PM
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Dude the Commodore 64 Kicked major butt! Basic Operating system and 64K of RAM. Started out with a tape drive, but moved up to a 5.75 inch Disk Drive the size of a shoe box eventually.
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post Apr 27 2006, 10:54 PM
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Yeah?  I remember when pretty much all the cartoons were Hannah Barbera, and Go Speed Go! was our anime battle cry.

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I grew up on the slightly later stuff, like Heman, Thundercats, Mask, GI Joe, Starblazers, Robotech, Smurfs (la la la lalalala...), Gummi Bears!


Interestingly, I grew up on a mix of both very old cartoons and very current cartoons. You see, my dad was a huge fanboy for classic cartoons when he was in law school. Although he donated most of his collection to his university's media library, he still had some tapes of old Warner Bros., Disney, and Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons. I watched these tapes with great enthusiasm as a small child, in addition to the Nickelodeon shows. Interestingly, I got comparatively small doses of cartoons from the late 60s, the 70s, and the 80s because my dad just doesn't like them very much. Dad holds Hanna-Barbera cartoons in strong contempt, and Japanese animation is too alien and inaccessible to him (he finds the disproportionately huge eyes to be especially unsettling).

Anyway, I have to concede one thing to my parents' and grandparents' generation: the cartoons of the early 40s through early 60s were in many ways better than their modern counterparts. Watching Looney Tunes and Rocky and Bullwinkle as an (almost) adult, I see that there's a dynamic quality to them that I feel was lost during the rise of Hanna-Barbera. That's why you should all purchase/rent/steal the Looney Tunes Golden Collection and embrace the awesomeness of American cartooning's golden age.
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post Apr 27 2006, 11:12 PM
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Anyway, I have to concede one thing to my parents' and grandparents' generation: the cartoons of the early 40s through early 60s were in many ways better than their modern counterparts.

True 'dat! Nothing, and I mean not a thing, is better than the old Looney Tunes (the later ones for the 60s & 70s, where they dropped the frame rate and started making movies suck though)

And let's not forget the real oldies, like Max Fleischer's Superman and Felix the Cat (in B&W of course)

Ah well, I could reminisce about D&D in blue boxes, seeing Star Wars in the theatre, real arcades... but it all boils down to:

I'm too old to be playing this game, but I'm too young to stop!
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post Apr 27 2006, 11:14 PM
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With ya there, and who can forget the AD&D books with the cartoony covers?
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post Apr 27 2006, 11:36 PM
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Betty Boop is still the greatest of all cartoon sex symbols. Actually, I was toying with the idea of a Leonized flapper from the 1920s who uses Betty Boop as a street name.



And who can forget the excitement of watching Dolph Lundgren portray He-Man on the big screen?
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post Apr 27 2006, 11:45 PM
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Betty Boop is still the greatest of all cartoon sex symbols. Actually, I was toying with the idea of a Leonized flapper from the 1920s who uses Betty Boop as a street name.



And who can forget the excitement of watching Dolph Lundgren portray He-Man on the big screen?

There are actually a few copies of He Man floating around the FSM. I've watched that film 2 or 3 times already. I find that I actually really love that film and it's a nice window into the 80s.

I also liked how Dolph Lundgren, a former full contact karate practitioner, had slow and akward swordplay but had fast and convincing punches and knee strikes.
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post Apr 28 2006, 12:22 AM
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That's why you should all purchase/rent/steal the Looney Tunes Golden Collection and embrace the awesomeness of American cartooning's golden age.

That raises the question, do these have the cartoon violence edited out of them like I've seen on cable TV in recent years?
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post Apr 28 2006, 12:49 AM
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QUOTE (Catsnightmare)
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That's why you should all purchase/rent/steal the Looney Tunes Golden Collection and embrace the awesomeness of American cartooning's golden age.

That raises the question, do these have the cartoon violence edited out of them like I've seen on cable TV in recent years?

Nope! All the violence, sexuality (yes, sexuality!), and other un-PC elements have been lovingly preserved.
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post Apr 28 2006, 01:01 AM
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Animaniacs did rerally well at keeping that going too.
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post Apr 28 2006, 01:17 AM
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Well, you can't take Betty's boop-oop-a-doop away. The best cartoons always contained mature humor that was subtle enough to fly over the heads of those who shouldn't be able to understand it - like censors.
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post Apr 28 2006, 01:50 AM
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Yeah, I recently rewatched some of cartoons I enjoyed when I was little and wondered: "why did my dad let me watch this stuff?" Then I realized that it was because I had absolutely no conception of sex, so all the naughtiness went completely over my head. Epiphanies like these just bring home to me that displays of sexuality aren't nearly as damaging or corrupting to little kids as many people make them out to be.
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post Apr 28 2006, 02:06 AM
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One should be care to realize that "epiphanies" based solely on personal experience are actually not good evidence. To reject scientific research because we cannot see the effect can be very dangerous, in my opinion.

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The survey showed that watching TV with sexual content artificially aged the children: those who watched more than average behaved sexually as though they were 9 to 17 months older and watched only average amounts. Twelve-year-olds who watched the most behaved sexually like 14- and 15-year-olds who watched the least.

http://www.commercialexploitation.org/news...renmediasex.htm

What is bad and good for development is an unknown quantity, but rapid development has consequences. Consider that the rate of new HIV infection has leveled - but not gone down for several years. Whether there is cause-effect is hard, in fact very hard, to determine. But can you show an advantage to rapid development in this society?
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post Apr 28 2006, 02:26 AM
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There is a big difference between double-entendres in cleverly writen cartoons and single-entendres in poorly writen live action series.
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post Apr 28 2006, 02:31 AM
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There was nothing sublte about Betty's Boobs.
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post Apr 28 2006, 02:40 AM
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I realize that I shouldn't automatically take anecdotes as representative of the whole picture, but that article only discusses sexual content as viewed by adolescents. I don't know what the literature has to say about it, but I don't think that most preoperational children are able to understand precisely what sexuality is and what it means to people.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that when a very young child is exposed to sexual images, it doesn't really affect the speed of his sexual development because he's not at the developmental stage where he can recognize something as being "sexual." I can't point to any studies to support this--all I have is anecdotal evidence--but I can't think of any evidence that would cast doubt on it, either.

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There was nothing sublte about Betty's Boobs.

You know, I didn't notice women's breasts at all until I read about breasts in a sex-ed book. I think I was about ten years old at the time, and I remember looking at different women--in school, at the grocery store, on the streets--and thinking: "They really do have breasts! I can't believe I never noticed it before!" In fact, I still can't quite believe it that I was so selectively blind for about half my life, but I was. That's just one of my anecdotal tidbits for you.
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post Apr 28 2006, 03:16 AM
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Funny, that isn't the way I remember Panamerican Airlines........

Yeah, Eddie Rickenbacker's departure as CEO started the death spiral for PAA. It ended with an ignoble thud when the North Atlantic Market (once the primary domain of both PAA and TWA) was opened to the likes of Northwest, National, American, Delta, United, and *sheesh* even Allegheny & Piedmont.
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post Apr 28 2006, 03:26 AM
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QUOTE (FanGirl @ Apr 27 2006, 02:59 PM)
"When I was your age, we had good TV shows on Nickelodeon!  Classics, like Are You Afraid Of The Dark? The Adventures of Pete and Pete, AAAAH!  REAL MONSTERS! and Salute Your Shorts!  And the Rugrats weren't 'All Grown Up,' either!"


Yeah? I remember when pretty much all the cartoons were Hannah Barbera, and Go Speed Go! was our anime battle cry. I remember when VCRs were new, and having to dial rotary phones (that's why it's called dialing a number)

I remember LPs, and 45s that weren't pistols, and cable TV had 40 channels at most.

Roleplay a member of AARP? Crap, I'm about to live it!

...I hear you on that one.

Yeah, the ol HB cartoons were pretty cool. Then there were the Prime Time 30 min animated shows - The Flintstones, The Jetsons and the original Johnny Quest (as opposed to the bad half baked CG version now on the Cartoon Channel).

I also remember the old Mighty Marvel Action show which featured Thor, The Hulk, Spider Man, and Capt. America. Man the animation was really cheezy but the theme songs stuck in your head for days.

When Captain America throws his mighty shield...
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What little is known about the effects of television sex on teenage attitudes and behavior comes primarily from a national telephone survey conducted twice, in 2001 and again in 2002, among 1,792 youths ages 12 to 17.


I'm sorry but there is no possible way that I can take this survey seriously. There were no face to face interviews, no independent verification, no observation and the sample size is ludicrously small.

In order to get good reliable results you need a sample size at least 10 times that and you need an equally large control group. Most importantly, you need to independently observe these children for many, many years using a Truman Show level of uninvasive surveillance that would probably lead to the researchers violating several child pornography statutes.
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You don't need a larger sample size but you do need better control of the experiment in a bunch of ways.

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post Apr 28 2006, 05:08 AM
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QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Apr 27 2006, 10:26 PM)
I also remember the old Mighty Marvel Action show which featured Thor, The Hulk, Spider Man, and Capt. America.  Man the animation was really cheezy but the theme songs stuck in your head for days.

When Captain America throws his mighty shield...

The theme song for The Bugs Bunny And Tweety Show (which I used to watch on Saturday mornings) also sticks in my head sometimes. Last summer, my dad and I got into a heated argument about whether Bugs and Daffy sing "Overture, curtains, lights," or "Overture, cut the lights." When two separate lyrics website confirmed my assertion, my dad still tried to "win" the argument by emailing my Uncle John* and asking him for his impartial opinion on the matter. John confirmed the correct lyrics, which are indeed "curtains, lights," but Dad continues to believe that it is "cut the lights" in spite of all the evidence stacked against him. As a fangirl, I truly am my father's daughter. :)

*Note: Uncle John is actually Dad's first cousin, making him my second cousin once removed, but it's too awkward to say "Second-Cousin-Once-Removed John, it's so nice to see you again!"
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post Apr 28 2006, 05:13 AM
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I used to watch Bugs and Daffy on Cartoon Network all the time before they stopped showing it (in favor of the then-new Adult Swim lineup).

God, I never stop laughing at those cartoons. Road Runner and Wile Coyote remain two of my all-time favorite cartoon characters, and Bugs and Daffy are always great (especially together)

Bugs: "Duck season!"
Daffy: "Rabbit season!'
Bugs: "Rabbit season!"
Daffy: "Duck season, FIRE!"
*BLAM*
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post Apr 28 2006, 05:29 AM
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QUOTE (HMHVV Hunter)
Bugs: "Duck season!"
Daffy: "Rabbit season!'
Bugs: "Rabbit season!"
Daffy: "Duck season, FIRE!"
*BLAM*

This is from the same cartoon that you quoted, and is one of the finest comedic dialogues of the 20th century--if not the finest:

Bugs: Would you like to shoot me now or wait 'till you get home?
Daffy: Shoot him now! Shoot him now!
Bugs: You keep outta this! He doesn't hafta shoot you now!
Daffy: He does so have to shoot me now! (to Elmer) I demand that you shoot me now!
(BANG!)
. . .
Daffy: (to Bugs) Let's run through that again.
Bugs: Okay! (Reciting in a monotone) "Would you like to shoot me now or wait 'till you get home?"
Daffy: (Also reciting) "Shoot him now, shoot him now."
Bugs: (reciting) "You keep outta this, he doesn't hafta shoot you now."
Daffy: A-HA! That's it! Hold it right there! (to audience) Pronoun trouble! (to Bugs) It's not "he doesn't hafta shoot you now," it's "he doesn't hafta shoot me now." Well, I say he does hafta shoot me now! (to Elmer) So shoot me now!
(BANG!)


I'm surprised that I haven't met more people at my college who like these cartoons. I've talked to people about starting a club for "classic" cartoon enthusiasts, but freshman year has been so much of an adjustment for me that I'm not even going to try and start it up until next fall.
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post Apr 28 2006, 05:40 AM
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Oh yeah, I remember those - I just couldn't remember exactly how they went. Reading that dialogue, however, has me laughing all over again :)

Some other good ones:

"Where's the 'kaboom?' There was supposed to be an earth-shattering 'kaboom'!" - Marvin the Martian

"I may be a craven coward - but I'm a greeeeeeeeeedy craven coward!" - Daffy Duck

Wile Coyote (inputting variables into a suggestion machine of his): "Rock!...fall!...on me!"
Suggestion machine: "Go back and take your medicine!"
-After yet ANOTHER trap backfires

Oh god, remember the family of bears?! I can't remember thier names, but they were HILARIOUS! The grumpy dad, the naive mother, and the eternally dim-witted Junior! AWESOME!
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Yeah, I think they all got illustrative-botox and do those toilet paper commercials now...

I think your char doesn't have to be ancient when you guys seem to be, that said: not many Tom & Jerry fans it seems
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post Apr 28 2006, 06:26 AM
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QUOTE (HMHVV Hunter)
Oh god, remember the family of bears?! I can't remember thier names, but they were HILARIOUS! The grumpy dad, the naive mother, and the eternally dim-witted Junior! AWESOME!

They were Papa Bear, Mama Bear, and Junior Bear. They first appeared in 1944's "Bugs Bunny and the Three Bears."
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