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 May 1 2006, 09:30 PM
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Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98  |
sounds... sticky.
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May 1 2006, 09:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 13-March 06 From: dusty Mexican borderlands Member No.: 8,372 |
And prone to infections. Maybe I will allow it. |
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May 1 2006, 10:58 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
"You know that sandwitch you stashed in your pouch in case the run ran late? Yeah, uh... roll Willpower to see if you still want to eat it."
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May 1 2006, 11:15 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
just make sure to wrap it in plastic first...
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May 1 2006, 11:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992 |
I don't know if I should be amused or offended if you think I'd eat something from what's basically a giant, easily accessable orifice on my body without wrapping it in plastic, first.
Besides, there's a similar thing in bioware in SR4 that I've considered. It sounds like a great place to put illegal things. |
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May 1 2006, 11:40 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
If you're talking about the skin pouch, I think the difference is that the skin pouch isn't a mucous membrane.
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May 2 2006, 12:14 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
yeah. it's the difference between carrying something under your arm and carrying something in the gigantic nose that is on your belly.
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May 2 2006, 01:27 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
so it will be a big soggy, big deal :silly:
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May 2 2006, 06:11 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 169 Joined: 13-December 05 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 8,070 |
I totally agree. That entire YotC bulldrek was just too much for me. Catgirls? Furries? Dragons taking over cities? Zombie invasion? Seaquest? Space race? It's like someone let the writers of "The Legend of Zu" write a Shadowrun sourcebook. The writers jerked off with that book just a little too much for my tastes, taking the shadowrun world from kitschy cyberfantasy to "BEAR IS DRIVING HOW CAN THAT BE?!?" anime-wannabe roleplaying. Then again, in my world, Chicago is still Bug City, hands down the most s=awesome sourcebook evarrrr. |
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May 2 2006, 06:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 169 Joined: 13-December 05 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 8,070 |
You have completely changed my mind in favor of Surge, using only seven words. |
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May 2 2006, 06:29 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
What, did you miss the rest of the history? Ya know, dragons taking over cities, shapeshifter furries, insect spirit invasion, arcologies, and toxic races? Seriously, how is the probe race not totally logical? It kinda happened when Mars was closest. Earth sent like 4 probes to the fucking rock. I mean, I get the arguments against the rest, really I do. But the probe race? Come on! |
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May 2 2006, 06:42 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i have to disagree, on the shapeshifter-furry thing. they have animal forms, and they have human forms with occasional features that are vaguely reminiscent of their animal forms. they're not furries.
i don't even have a problem with cyberhorns, cybertails, and the like. technofetishistic imitation of trends is cool. magical transformations into catgirls is where i draw the line. |
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May 2 2006, 06:50 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Meh, with SR4 cosmetic rules, the transformation isn't all that magical.
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May 2 2006, 06:51 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
no, i mean literally magical. caused by mana thingies. replacing your hair with optical fibers that give you glowy purple manga hair is okay. getting hit with a mana spike that gives you violet hair is right out.
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May 2 2006, 06:58 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Well, ok then, what about using blood magic to alter one's form? Or corrupt adepts? Dragons used blood magic to create drakes, neh? Couldn't one create a catgirl from blood magic and genetech? It seriously didn't bother me, but I came up with other SURGE effects, too. I think YotC should have focused more on the... mistakes, but who really wants their characters inflicted with melt-face or one-ear?
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May 2 2006, 07:25 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
SR Shadowrun Game, FASA authorised Kitsune Nuff said |
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May 2 2006, 07:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992 |
I see shapeshifters as being more like old school werewolves. In that they're animals first, that just happen to be a little smarter than the average bear. They're not really suitable for PCs, in that you might as well try to play an insect spirit of a hellhound.
Completely alien thought process, compared to humans. As for freaking yourself out through cyber? I had a shaman do that in order to get closer to his totem. He used Physical Mask near-religiously when on the job. Then again, I'm hardly a bastion of sanity. I tried to figure out how to make Ruth Skin a viable runner concept. I couldn't explain it beyond Gangers Somehow Highjack Milspec Cyber Shipment, and one of the things in the truck was that. Nobody else wanted it, so she took it. Getting naked anywhere outside of the sprawl is, amusingly, suicide. |
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May 2 2006, 12:45 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 22-March 06 From: Salvador, Brazil Member No.: 8,395 |
SURGE = Cat girls anime phobia paranoia extreme!!!!!
Go to the center of the question: use SURGE or not, thats the final point. If you like anime style, go for it. If you like x-men, go for it. If you like random magic mutations and the social racist problems, go for it. And If you dont like SURGE, terminate from your SR game. I like the SURGE using the ramdom magic approach, but i like a little anime too. That how i will use SURGE im my games. |
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May 2 2006, 01:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 29-March 06 From: Quebec, Canada Member No.: 8,415 |
A bit hypocritical; tech-based comsetic changes are ok, but not magical ones if random, in a way it use noneless the game's 'You are NOT in control, not even of yourself' side. Meh. *rolling eyes*
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May 2 2006, 03:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 13-March 06 From: dusty Mexican borderlands Member No.: 8,372 |
That'd be me. But I'm weird like that. I like gimping my characters. It probably comes from constantly watching PCs cripple and murder my NPCs. |
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May 2 2006, 05:06 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
It is easy to take SURGE in an anime catgirl direction but it is just as easy to take it in a downtroden Martian mutants from Total Recall direction. Like everything about Shadowrun it can be both seriously depressing and lightheartedly absurd, often simultaneously.
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May 2 2006, 05:56 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
you'll have to point me to where blood magic allows you to alter your form. corrupt adepts turn into monsters, generally speaking, not BESM rejects. drakes aren't furries. as for genetech, like i said, technofetishism is cool.
you could call that furry, or you could call that homage to the actual myths about kitsune. i fail to see how my stance is "hypocritical". i don't like magical anime-esque transformations in my SR. that's a pretty clear stance; i'm not going back on it by disincluding technofetishism from it, because technofetishism is not, by definition, included. as for being "not in control, even of yourself", maybe you missed the section in YotC where it says you can choose SURGE traits as edges and flaws. with a new character, you have direct control of what SURGE effects you take. i probably wouldn't dislike SURGE so much if it hadn't been presented the way they presented it. if they'd have kept the whole anime thing in the background, let players come up with their own ideas about how SURGE affects people? that would have made things much better. but instead, they splash a freakin' catgirl right up there in everyone's face. moreover, rather than actually playing up the negative social side effects of SURGE, they carefully boxed up all the prejudice and hatred towards changelings inside 'straight' society, and basically said that counterculture elements (like, say, shadowrunners!) all think SURGE is the hottest thing since fission. in other words, the only people who are likely to hate your newly-SURGEd character are people who would have already hated him anyway. goodbye gritty social disorder, hello cardboard cutout good guys and bad guys. |
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May 2 2006, 06:56 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 87 Joined: 12-January 05 From: Brazil, RN, Natal (Also known as Amazonia) Member No.: 6,968 |
Well, sometimes it´s a matter of taste. Me and my players juts LOVE anime, but we never RPG´ed it. Well, there was that supers campaign, but was only one time. And it wasn´t silly, I must assure you.
The main consense among us seems to be that while anime (and catgirls, and whatever anime throws in your way) can be fun indeed, role-playing it is another thing entirely. |
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May 2 2006, 07:17 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Mfb Furry is a devolved form of the very legends you reference
Although IMHO Anime + Shadowrun should reference Akira, not Nuku Nuku after all Kenada = gang leader type runner Tetsuo = twisted mage who getsfucked up by an Aztechnology Bioexperiment designed to make UBER mages |
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May 2 2006, 07:23 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Drakes are scallies; ithe difference is academic considering the voluminous collections of dragon porn to be found on Fchan. In some ways, Shadowrun is decidedly similar to Tank Police. You've got the megaplexes and the sprawl, you've got hardcore police SWAT teams with excessive firepower, you've got genetic engineering, biological implants, and cyberware. The catgirls just round it out. "If you want less crime then give us more tanks." - anonymous Lonestar officer |
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