Where Ghostwalker came from?, Someone who owns "The Burning Time"? |
Where Ghostwalker came from?, Someone who owns "The Burning Time"? |
Apr 26 2006, 09:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 371 Joined: 10-January 06 From: Regina Member No.: 8,145 |
I just had this thought kind of randomly pop into my head (my subconscious must have made the connection). At the end of Steven Kenson's novel The Burning Time, the Mage in the story (forget his name) rescues his gay lover (Kenson's writing seems to have homosexuality as a theme a lot *shrug*) from an astral prison controlled by the fixer "Mama". Now, I thought that during the description of that rescue it mentioned there being many of these little "astral cells" and him (the mage) seeing a "big white dragon" escape from one of them. He also saw other strange spirits escape as well (Shedim?). I'm not sure about the dragon part (it was awhile ago that I read it, and my local library lists "Missing" as the location for the book), but one thing I am sure about: it took place at the proper time for Ghostwalker's appearance.
Someone on this forum (not sure who) also mentioned that there was an ED Horror that had captured a GD in an astral prison of some kind. I don't know if it was ever revealed in "canon" who/what "Mama" was, but in all of the books that described her they seemed to hint that she was very powerful, and very evil. Can someone who owns or has access to The Burning Time please confirm or deny my random thought? |
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Apr 26 2006, 09:51 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
That's been the general consensus. Making Shedim lost souls, thousands of years old.
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Apr 27 2006, 01:00 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
I'll dig out my copy of The Burning Time a little later. But from what I remember, yes.
And I've met Steven Kenson. Nice guy. If he is gay, so what? Doesn't matter to me. |
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Apr 27 2006, 01:01 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,401 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 6,099 |
Wow. No wonder he was so pissed off by the time he hit Denver. If he was freed from his astral cell due to ..in some ways...random chance, a sideeffect of another break out, I'd nuke the first stuff I saw when I came out too. I'd be pissed at my GD kin too that didn't yknow, help me out.
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Apr 27 2006, 01:16 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Not really. The fact is that Talon is Kenson's alter ego, end they both happen to be gay. You wouldn't say that straight authors with heterosexual characters have heterosexuality as a theme a lot.
Not a great dragon, but Verjigorm, Slayer of Great Dragons, has captured adult dragons and encased them in astral cocoons in order to force a particular metamorphosis on them. The exact circumstances of what Ghostwalker, or the Shedim, or any of the spirits (multiple types came through the Rift) that "broke out" were doing beforehand is strictly conjecture; for all we know Jase might have been perceiving an "echo" from some other location(s) in the metaplanes. |
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Apr 27 2006, 01:58 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,002 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Canada Member No.: 8,494 |
Does any of this have to do with the mass killing of the dragon kin noted in Dragon's of the Sixth World. I took it to being an order of paladins but maybe I'm wrong and it is some horror instead.
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Apr 27 2006, 02:13 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
There might be a Horror somewhere about the group, or perhaps just Horror inspired, but I think the Hunters are independent in their own crazy way. There are plenty of groups that think [meta]humanity is better off without dragons around - from Immortal Elves to Alamo 20K not to mention a bunch of politicos in Denver. And even other dragons might support the slaughter, perhaps for revenge like the last Sea Dragon. These groups could all be feeding the same rabid beast and putting it to hunt.
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Apr 27 2006, 03:07 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
I know this isn't exactly on topic, but ... Well said. |
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Apr 27 2006, 02:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 371 Joined: 10-January 06 From: Regina Member No.: 8,145 |
Good, post the quote when you've got it. And I don't have a "problem" if he is gay, that was not my intention. I was just noting that it was a consistent element through all of his writings. |
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Apr 27 2006, 04:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,002 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Canada Member No.: 8,494 |
Dragons (like anyone who has tons of power) have large amounts of enemies. But they also have powerful friends as well. Does anyone know more information about the Great Dragon of Managascar who has a dragon clutch right now?
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Apr 27 2006, 05:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 17-February 06 From: San Francisco Member No.: 8,275 |
This is a little off-topic, but it does concern Ghostwalker. I've been reading Year of the Comet, and I saw that passage from Rhonabwy, "I issue my condolences for his loss", that oft-quoted passage about Ghostwalker that leads most to assume that Dunklezahn was his brother. But Hualpa says "Ghostwalker has been rash, but I admit to some admiration for his tactics. They are bold and unexpected, and display great cunning worthy of his respected sire." Who's that respected sire? It seems that Ghostwalker's sire is likely Dunklezahn, which would jive with the "loss" that Ghostwalker has suffered. Has this been covered over and over again on some other post?
Did you mean Madagascar or do they call it Managascar now, which would make sense? |
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Apr 27 2006, 05:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 834 Joined: 30-June 03 Member No.: 4,832 |
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Apr 27 2006, 05:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 17-February 06 From: San Francisco Member No.: 8,275 |
Woah. Waitaminute, is this "Earthdawn" system a preprequel to Shadowrun with the Dragons and some of the elves as recurring characters?
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Apr 27 2006, 05:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 834 Joined: 30-June 03 Member No.: 4,832 |
Yep, thats the basics. Earthdawn was a fantasy game made by the team who made SR using similar mechanics. They started writing in cross over material at some point (possibly from the beginning). I haven't played ED my self, so my knowledge is basic at best. But Ancient History's site is awesome for learning about the connections.
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Apr 27 2006, 05:59 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
You pretty much covered, except that the mechanics are almost completely unrelated to one another.
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Apr 28 2006, 03:28 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,002 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Canada Member No.: 8,494 |
Since Earthdawn has been sold to Living Room Games the story line between the two RPGs have drifted apart. Soon Earthdawn will be a alternate reality past to Shadowrun.
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Apr 28 2006, 05:04 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Earthdawn was not sold to Living Room Games; it was licensed to them by FASA, who still owns bits and bobs of IP. FASA has also licensed Earthdawn to Red Brick Games, who are doing their own version of Earthdawn. Red Brick also has the license to sell the old FASA books as ebooks
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Apr 28 2006, 09:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
I hope this doesn't happen. I've come to rather like that connection and all those little secrets and ancient plots (Ancient History deserves a lot of credit for making all this stuff so accessible). GMs can ignore it if they want to, and there's probably no reason to refer to it in your typical street level game, but sometimes I enjoy a more historic level of campaign, so all that ancient history provides a rich playground. Shadowrun is almost two-games-in-one because of it. |
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Apr 28 2006, 01:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,002 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Canada Member No.: 8,494 |
WizKids/Fanpro should almost buy up the rights to Earthdawn so they can further develope both games together. It might help solve what happened to Ghostwalker and how he got stuck in the Astral Plane.
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Apr 28 2006, 02:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
As has been noted elsewhere, a lot of the fans of one game end up investigating the other so they can try and get 'the big picture'. Seems like a pretty good mutually beneficial arrangement to me. Reason enough for Fanpro and Red Brick to talk to each other now and then, I'd have thought.
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Apr 28 2006, 06:17 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
I may be completely wrong in this, but my impression of Earthdawn was that it was essentially a dead line. While having SR continue to sync up with ED's established history is great for the amusement of well-informed players, I'm not sure it's really cost effective to put a lot of effort into reviving ED with a primary goal being to bolster SR sales.
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Apr 28 2006, 06:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
http://www.earthdawn-classic.com/
I feel rumours of its demise might be a little exaggerated. Though I have no idea if it's proving popular. |
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Apr 28 2006, 06:26 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
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Apr 28 2006, 07:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 3-November 05 From: KCMO Member No.: 7,922 |
I spoke to reps for FanPro AND Living Room Games at GenCon 2005. Both said they continue to communicate with each other to keep things as consistent as they can manage....
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Apr 28 2006, 08:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 371 Joined: 10-January 06 From: Regina Member No.: 8,145 |
Laff... "as they can manage" can vary quite widely depending on how much they like each other...
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