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 Knife fighting in SR3 or SR4 |
 May 2 2006, 12:28 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill.  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006  |
Which you use to fight to you EM-50 Urban Assault Vehicle.
A knife is a very dangerous weapon, and can be (in some ways) as dangerous as a gun. I am skilled with a pistol. In my hands it is a very dangerous precise weapon. Alas I can't always carry a pistol. Knives (I feel) are more scarry than pistols, just because the cutting involved. Think Leon in "The Professional". |
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May 2 2006, 01:19 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
Or to fight my way to the point where I don't need to fight anymore. |
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May 2 2006, 03:58 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Just FYI, when you enter a federal building the legal limit on that knife drops to 2". Assuming you're talking about a US federal building. |
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May 2 2006, 06:05 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
So after thinking about this for a bit, I came up with a possible Build.
Ork Attributes: Bod 6 Agi 5 Rea 4 Str 7 Cha 3 Int 3 Log 2 Wil 3 Edge 3 Magic 5 Init 7(8) Adept Powers Attribute Boost AGI 2 Attribute Boost STR 2 Improved Ability Blades 2 Improved Ability Throwing 2 (edited for typo) Improved Reflexes 1 Skills Blades (kinves) 5 (7) Throwing (knives) 5 (7) Athletics Group 3 Stealth Group 3 Perception 2 Ettiquette 2 Gear: Knife Weapon Focus R-1 Low Lifesyle Leather Jacket Armor Clothing Meta Link / Xim Fake SIN R-2 Throwing Knives x5 Contact: Mafia Lieutenant 2/3 Basic concept is a street tough who has shown enough promise that a local mafioso has taken him under his wing for use as extra muscle in shakedowns and to do a little work on things the family needs to keep at arms length, like delivery of BTL consignments to local street gangs and return with the money. |
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May 2 2006, 06:08 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
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May 2 2006, 06:34 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
Argghhh Typos! Second one should be Throwing not blades, sorry.
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May 3 2006, 01:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 7-February 03 Member No.: 4,025 |
I categorically disagree and question your reasoning. You explained yourself clearly, but I have issue with the concept of deadly force as a deterrent. You seem to be counting on someone to know you have a blade and that you're willing to use it and that you can use it effectively and that you aren't out-armed and that you have the composure not to use it in a panic after you've shown it. Anyway, we're probably not gonna agree, so don't take this as a personal attack. However.... |
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May 3 2006, 01:53 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Well, if any of that fails then you use it.
~J |
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May 3 2006, 01:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 7-February 03 Member No.: 4,025 |
Good points, and I think you are wiser than most people out there as far as the role of that particular tool. I'd wager that when the pressure's on and they go into animal thinking, many folks'll pull a blade just because they think that the yahoo is maybe gonna take a swing at them. It takes a lot of training or discipline to think as you are describing in an emergency. I also always have a knife with me on the job and on the street, because it's a useful tool. I've studied how to use it in a scrap, and I'm always aware that it's there, but I don't carry a knife "for self-defense." I might feel different if I was living in Northern Uganda or something.... |
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May 3 2006, 01:54 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 7-February 03 Member No.: 4,025 |
And kill somebody because he wanted to give you a black eye? Edit: Sorry everybody, don't mean to use the thread to argue. I'll stop now. |
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May 3 2006, 02:11 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
if someone just wants to give you a black eye, that's one thing. self-defense is another. then again, if he just wants to give you a black eye, he's probably going to back off when he sees the knife. if not, well, you're doing the gene pool a favor.
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May 3 2006, 02:23 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
mfb made my point for me. There is a long list of things that I don't do, unarmed or armed, if I don't feel my life is potentially in danger. The knife just makes some of those things easier to do should I choose to do them.
~J |
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May 3 2006, 02:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 7-February 03 Member No.: 4,025 |
Anyway... on another note, I was involved in an interesting series of tests once. One trained fighter given a dummy knife with ink or chalk on it to mark a hit, and the other given a stick, (usually a basic 60cm dowel, but we tried rolled magazines, collapsing batons, plastic coke bottles and other stuff.)
We did dozens of trials and kept a record, and about 9 times out of 10, the guy got his knife knocked out of his hand before he could close to use it. (Well, not with some of the improvised stuff.) Let's hear it for reach bonus, I guess! We'd also throw knives into grappling fights. Most of the time, the two guys fighting didn't notice. We also filed down some different knives so they had no edge, and tried pulling them out from different pockets, etc. once "attacked." Didn't keep stats on that, but I'll be damned if I could get one out while someone was pounding on me. Interesting stuff, I thought. |
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May 3 2006, 04:16 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
yeah, getting your knife out when you're surprised is a slow process, especially if you don't keep it readily accessible.
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May 3 2006, 04:27 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
Lol, don't let that one slip at Martial Arts Planet. Grappling dosen't work in t3h str33t! Being a ninja is better.
Heh heh, that's just my comedy theatre interjection for today. |
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May 3 2006, 02:34 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
That entire thread has destroyed my brain.
~J |
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May 3 2006, 03:17 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
I was not aware that Dumpshockers had brains to begin with. :D Any veteran DSer would have suffered so much Dumpshock his brain would be tofu. |
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May 3 2006, 03:19 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I'm pretty sure it's my brain. That's the thing to the right of the stomach, isn't it?
~J |
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May 3 2006, 04:00 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
no that's your arm
Your brain is the thing that controls it and allows it to wank properly |
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May 3 2006, 04:03 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
And there we have it, proof that Kremlin KOA has studied Kagetenshi's wanking technique and deeming it "proper."
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May 3 2006, 04:14 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Welfare had cut me off
It was either that job or my family starves to death |
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May 3 2006, 04:17 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I can understand how that must have been a hard choice to make, and hope you don't wind up regretting it later.
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May 3 2006, 04:19 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
I may have nightmares for a few years
But at least I am alive The bit that worried me is when a pair of Vietnam veterans (ex POWs) told me that they really felt how hard it was for me |
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May 3 2006, 04:35 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
But did anyone feel how hard it was for him?
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May 3 2006, 04:37 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
you should all die horribly.
horribly. |
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