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post Apr 30 2006, 03:53 PM
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A related anecdote: One of the scariest times of my life was when I was in a scrap and got bit by a guy who had Hepatitis C. What they drill into us at that job is that Hep C is easier to catch, more common and more deadly than HIV. I don't have any numbers to back that up, but that's what they tell us. I was fortunate in that case, but will never forget the feeling when I was at the emergency room, waiting to find out what was going to happen to me.

You worked in Corrections or Detention, right?
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post Apr 30 2006, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE (eidolon @ Apr 30 2006, 07:11 AM)
As to a vaccine/pill, I can't recall any (canon) references to such a thing, but then again the whole HMHVV hasn't come up much in my games.

SRComp page 33 under Infection.
"[...]in the first stage [...] the virus can be treated if detected."


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A related anecdote: One of the scariest times of my life was when I was in a scrap and got bit by a guy who had Hepatitis C. What they drill into us at that job is that Hep C is easier to catch, more common and more deadly than HIV. I don't have any numbers to back that up, but that's what they tell us. I was fortunate in that case, but will never forget the feeling when I was at the emergency room, waiting to find out what was going to happen to me.


You were given some incorrect hype. Hepatitus, in general, has more transmission vectors than HIV. However, Hepatitus C specificly has fewer. You are less likely to recieve it from heterosexual intercourse, for example, since blood-blood contact is required. Of course, it is transmissed through sex rather frequently (through the aforementioned microscopic tears).

Also, Hepatitus C is not more deadly than HIV, not by a long shot. Hepittus C can be a cronic infection but it is not a terminal infection. That is, it is possible for your body's immune system to completly fight off the virus, unlike HIV.

For many years, my father believed that he had Hepititus B and C due to a positive antibody test result. Recently, the VA required him to have a complete physical and among the tests they performed were both antibody and RNA tests for the various hepatitus strains. While he was positive for the HCV and HBC antibodies he did not have any hepatitus RNA in his body, indicating that he was infected once but isn't infected now.

A person with HIV is gong to die from the disease, baring outside acts of violence. A person with hepititus C and a strong immune system can fight off the infection. Even if the person is unable to fight off the infection initially there are treatment options of chronic hepatitus C infections. There are also 6 different genotypes of hepatitus C wihich require generally different treatment plans. Some are rather easy to treat and others are difficult to treat.

Actually, what really screws you is having both HIV and any hepatitus at the same time. The HIV weakens the immune system and the hepatitus virus shreds the liver and there is no way in heck that UNOS is going to give you a new one because the virus will shred it just as quickly.

Of course, the great thing about livers is that there is no actual limit to the number of times a live person can donate half of one because they grow back. This is why it is always good to have relatives of the same blood type who care about you.
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post Apr 30 2006, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE (eidolon @ Apr 30 2006, 07:11 AM)
As to a vaccine/pill, I can't recall any (canon) references to such a thing, but then again the whole HMHVV hasn't come up much in my games.

SRComp page 33 under Infection.
"[...]in the first stage [...] the virus can be treated if detected."


Ah! Yummy ridiculously vague fluff writing! How I love you so.

Seriously, based on that overwhelming amount of information, I'd make the possibility of the runners actually having access to this "mysterious treatment" slim to none. :D

Thanks for the reference.
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post May 1 2006, 01:30 PM
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Ok, thanks for all the suggestions and the various comments. :)

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post May 1 2006, 05:30 PM
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A person with HIV is gong to die from the disease, baring outside acts of violence. A person with hepititus C and a strong immune system can fight off the infection.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you cannot die of HIV; it's just that AIDS progressively erodes your chances of surviving infections you would normally be able to defeat.
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post May 1 2006, 05:43 PM
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By die from the disease I mean die as a direct result of beeing immuocompromised.
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post May 1 2006, 10:31 PM
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I just got through being trained as an EMT in Seattle, and they give the Hep C vs HIV debate a slightly different spin:

Yes, HIV can and will kill you if you get it. The likelyhood of you being exposed to, contracting, and dying from Hep C working as an EMT is noticeably higher than your odds from HIV/AIDS. You protect yourself against both of them pretty much the same way.
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post May 2 2006, 01:54 PM
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In simpler term, it WILL kill you, but slowly, and another illness (or cancers - there is rare forms of tumors and cancers who really exist if the immunitary system is battered) will probably get you first...
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post May 3 2006, 02:15 AM
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You worked in Corrections or Detention, right?

Close. I'm a "Crisis Specialist"; I've done some addictions counselling, ran a homeless shelter, the city drunk-tank, taught some self-defense and did a stint as a "Security Contractor" (thuggery for rich people) in a remote ethnic community. (The liberals call me a Nazi and the conservatives call me a hippie!) Now I do psycho-social rehabilitation for people with schizophrenia and I'm branching into cross-cultural work. The big words just make it sound impressive. End of resume.

Hyz, thanks for the info. Not surprising that they were dumbing it down to scare us into remembering the iso-gel. ;)
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post May 3 2006, 03:16 AM
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Wow, good luck with that, heh. I worked as second in command of a Detention Center for nearly 6 years, so I can symphasize with a lot of what you mention. I've had my fair share of bloody/vomity/crazy people.

Course, I got my shots for the other two Hep's, so I always worried about C. Seemed like half the people I dealt with had that or TB.
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post May 4 2006, 06:21 AM
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TB's not so hard to avoid. Just can't smooch 'em with an opened mouth. :eek:
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post May 5 2006, 03:26 AM
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Well, it does become a worry when you have to walk into a tiny cell with hardly any airflow. But, I seemed to have survived. TB always was touted as highly contagious around here, but again, that might have just been hype.
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